TM will allow a debate on restricting abortion to cling on to power.

[catgirl1976]

AIBU to be disgusted? I'm reading that she will allow a UK debate on abortion limits to secure the DUP's support.

She's a disgrace. I don't care if you voted Tory or Labour or for Lord Buckethead, but surely any woman must feel appalled that their rights are up for sale to secure her (untenable anyway) position.

SoftSheen "Debates on the limit as medical science advance' shouldn't be controversial, surely?"

just you wait till they can be kept alive from earlier. I always say people behave like woman = womb. They really do.

I remember having this conversation with someone utterly clueless last time - he thought loads of women were having late term abortions, presumably for fun, though he couldn't answer when I asked him. he was very apologetic but it reminds me of that American politician who told a TV station he was anti abortion but had never thought why a woman might want one. I'm on my way out but will find the link tomorrow.

This thread contains a lot of hysteria over nothing. 'Debates on the limit as medical science advance' shouldn't be controversial, surely?

"Hysteria". How misogynist. How fitting!

No, it should not be controversial, it should not be talked of at all. Women's human rights are not up to debate.

What are you going to suggest next? Debates on women's right to vote?

I used to be very religious and anti abortion and spent time being a prolife campaigner when I was very young.

I am now an atheist and totally regret my earlier actions. I'd be happy to join or support any organisation that helps NI women improve access to abortions. Can anyone post links to the best place to donate or help in some way?

Appalled that this is happening in the 21st century.

"Most people don't currently support abortion up to term. The current abortion limit is 24 weeks, but some babies can now be born at 23-24 weeks to survive and grow up. Personally I think it is a good idea to have a sensible, reasoned debate on this issue, and to consider lowering the maximum gestation, perhaps to 20 or 22 weeks."

Please, go ahead and decide for yourself not to have an abortion after whatever 'maximum gestation' you like. Allow others the same right to decide.

The current limit ONLY JUST allows enough time for a medical abortion to be arranged in time after a shock at the 20-week anomaly scan.

I also notice that Ruth Davidson was reassured on gay rights, but abortion rights might be debated. Of course, because gays can be male, so we've got to look after them. Happy to chuck women under the bus though. Typical.

The issue is not only that women's rights are seen as so unimportant they can be bargained away but that this is bringing this debate up again which allows the anti choice groups which are thriving in the UK now thanks partly to funding from America and also the Tory government giving them access to give "counselling" to sieze the chance to further their agenda. Already on this thread some are attacking choice and suggesting the limit should be lowered. Dangerous when we should be pushing the other way, for full decriminalisation across the UK and abortion rights for all.

just you wait till they can be kept alive from earlier. I always say people behave like woman = womb. They really do

Indeed.

On the thread where a woman complained about her husbands vote, she was told that it was "his personal choice", and she ought to love and adore him even when he held despicable opinions and influenced the whole laws of the country she lives in in a negative way.

Apparently, a man's political opinion is more private than a woman's body. Because so many people happily agree that women should be punished for what they do with their very own bodies - punished by prison and worse if they make a decision against pregnancy that other people don't agree with, whereas a man may not even be criticised for his political decisions.

The fucking misogyny, it is unbelievable.

What's the point of making a woman have a child she doesn't want? What life for that child? Reducing or limiting abortions will cause more heartache, upset and pain for women and children.

If you don't feel ethically you should have an abortion after a certain point, for a certain reason, then you don't have to have one. The law should be in place to support women to choose. Individually women can make an individual choice within this. If you are pro choice, you are exactly that, pro choice for every woman.

Its legal to terminate a pregnancy right up until birth if the foetus has disabilities or the life of the mother is in danger.

32 reasons why girls and women requested later term termination of pregnancies. Anyone who thinks that its an easy decision needs to read this document. No-one has a later term termination on a whim.

Fuck that shit. It's starting to feel like Trump is pulling the strings somewhere.

What's the point of making a woman have a child she doesn't want?

Oh, there are many great things that can be achieved by forcing women to give birth!

Such as:

• making women more dependent on men financially, thus more likely to tolerate abuse.
• endangering women's lives, thereby reducing the overall percentage of female voters
• removing women from the workforce so more men can get jobs
• ensuring that women don't dare have fun or go out as they know they will be made to give birth to a rapist's child
• a steady supply of economically disadvantaged men who will vote against women's rights in the hopes that that will improve their situation.

Causing pain to children is a feature of forced birthing. Those children will become tomorrow's misogynists, racists and voters for the forced-birthers. Success!

What it doesn't achieve is making children happy or safe, but certainly we all know that was never the point, ever?

If she holds the vote, it won't pass and she could end up with the government collapsing as a result. This is a desperate act to cling to power.

What's REALLY going on, is there is a battle to save Brexit by brexiteers against remainers who think that they have tried and failed the UKIP approach and now think a softer option is needed.

May might not survive until Tuesday imo.

Its more likely that a unanimous candidate to replace May from the senior cabinet is being sort. In really that means Davis, Fallon or Hammond. Johnson won't get that support he's not enough of a safe pair of hands. Rudd is out because she only has a majority of 300.

Davis has already pitched for it by saying that they need to rethink the customs union and single market again. As a leaver he is acceptable to leavers plus the fact Brussels dislike him, works for the party. Plus he is already heavily involved in Brexit. He has to be the front runner.

Fallon could get it, as respected internationally. But I think he's second choice rather than the first choice.

Hammond is too much of a Remainer. Would be better fighting the business angle and promoting stability as chancellor.

SheilaHammond

Alliance4Choice

Would Rudds small majority be an issue?

Historically the main parties don't put a candidate up against a PM.

Or they could find her a safe seat?

This thread us a great example of how you can

1. say something that is actually shit
2. show no signs of caring that yes it's shit 3. people will be up in arms because they aren't paying attention and go off repeating what they now believe, signing petitions based on it and so on.
3. Job done I suppose.

Sigh. Well that post went weird.

We should not have to wait until the prolife campaign gathers momentum and government and media influence to shout about this. That's not being hysterical FFS.

This would not be a government issue. If this happens, as i always the government would allow a free vote as would the other parties. The government would not promote it or campaign on it.

TheProLifeBergensAreComing, listen to what Tory MPs are saying publicly about this.

Whilst you have some saying there will be a vote about this, you also have others - Ed Vaizey for one - publicly coming out and saying they will not support any measures to move away from liberal conservatism.

You would be better to use this opportunity to highlight how NI is currently in breach of a EHCR ruling regarding abortion and how political parties of both Catholic and Protestant persuasion there have not got the political will to change the law to comply. This is despite the fact that the majority of the NI public support reform to comply with the human rights ruling.

Use it to put pressure on the government to put pressure on NI to get their act together on this.

No its not being hysterical, but you are not using this as an opportunity for expanding the agenda you support. Instead are using it merely as whipping up a fear of something that doesn't exist and has no chance of success in a defensive way. Pick your battles wisely and plan your strategy accordingly...

I haven't been compelled to protest yet, however this tips it. Absolutely appalling and unacceptable behaviour. This coalition will lead to our country going backwards.

I haven't been compelled to protest yet, however this tips it. Absolutely appalling and unacceptable behaviour. This coalition will lead to our country going backwards.

Armando Iannucci‏*@Aiannucci*

Somebody tweeted me an acronym but I've lost their details. Hats off to whoever suggested Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team

Matthew Holehouse‏*@mattholehouse*

PM has spoken to leaders of France, US, Aus and NZ - but not it seems Juncker Tusk or Merkel.

Does that involve the need to be humble?

oops wrong thread

No its not being hysterical, but you are not using this as an opportunity for expanding the agenda you support. Instead are using it merely as whipping up a fear of something that doesn't exist and has no chance of success in a defensive way. Pick your battles wisely and plan your strategy accordingly...

Agreed. Except some of this hysterical.