Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

Question: Is this Democracy?

Answer: NO!

No one has won. Not the Conservatives, not Labour and certainly not the Country. All that money wasted on a totally unnecessary Election Campaign. Now the Government are having to do a deal with a party with some pretty dodgy views.
So who was more wrong? Who called this unnecessary election?
Yet people still want to blame JC. Threads saying he should resign and that he lost. Well get real. We have all lost. Hilarious.

Corbyn may not officially have "won" the election, but only an idiot would fail to understand why Corbyn is probably feeling like a winner, tonight, and Theresa May like a loser!! May lost her mandate and her reputation for strength and stability - now she needs propping up by her competitors. Corbyn lost his reputation as a loony who was single handedly responsible for the implosion of the Labour Party and won himself a reputation as a rousing speaker able to keep his cool and not descend to the immature mudslinging of his opponents (and even supposedly his own side), and able to go out and win votes. He has also proved that the policies put forward in the Labour manifesto are not too left wing for a large portion of the British public to stomach and proved that continued austerity and cuts are vote losers.

[Roundaboutthetown]
Yes, This.

I agree Fab - we've all lost.

I think we will back happily at these times in the post brexit future and think how great they were compared to the present. Our politics seems to get worse every time we make a decision.

there are two big factors that make a Corbyn's plans unaffordable - the banking bailout in 2008 and the aging population. The reason so many rejected Corbyn's expansion is because it's not affordable with these 2 facts.

I don't think May did badly enough given the amount of things labour has promised to wage a magic wand on, which shows a significant number don't believe him.

People keep asking us to take Corbyn's tax plans at face value - why would we? He's committed to so many things and his answer is never going to be dropping promises, it'll always be more tax and more debt.

It's very important for the Labour Party to stop fist pumping and start concentrating and assessing right now.

There's an urgency because we may get another ( relatively ) quick election.

The fact is they did not win. So those policies ( costed or not) are not going to help the people. Today the poor are in the hands of the Tories ( and mates) still.

Those of us not part of the under 35 electorate remember Kinnock and his almost win. The difference there was Labour was gutted. Kinnock still berates himself. And the party went to work immmedistely to focus on how to make the necessary changes to secure a win.

Now the PLP is very ready to do this. But are JC and Momentum? Or will they refuse to cast a clinical eye over this result?

Agree carl, both parties need to be looking st their manifestos and finding ways to appeal to centre voters, surely that's obvious?

Now the PLP is very ready to do this. But are JC and Momentum? Or will they refuse to cast a clinical eye over this result?

Exactly, Carl, as I said upthread the PLP would love to woo voters like me who've voted Labour in the past - the Corbynistas won't countenance it, as several on here have made abundantly plain. Mandelson said as much yesterday but of course the Cobynistas just went mental shouting him down as a Blairite.

Cupoftea and charmogeddon - you're both claiming that if you have voted labour or Tory in this GE you support Brexit. Absolutely not true. The pressure group to move away from hard Brexit recommended tactical voting to elect members of any party that might be opposed to hard Brexit.
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I know many remainers who have voted labour to change the course of Brexit. There would have been no point voting for a minority party with no hope of getting in if it led to TM's landslide.*

ChasedbyBees, both Labour & Conservative ran on Brexit Manifestos.

The party who was resolutely Remain was Lib Dem; any vote for the Lib Dems was a vote to remain hence why I did not vote Lib Dem.

Perhaps if people had voted as the wanted to, or as their conscience dictated then we'd have had a very different outcome.

If people based their vote on what a pressure group told them was 'best' then more fool them.

If Labour had got in, we'd have still had Brexit with no single market membership, no free movement (as that was in their manifesto).

Also, rather ironically considering the name chosen for her group - Gina Miller actually helped to ensure that the result was categorically not 'Best for Britain' - quite the opposite in fact.

Indeed, it was neither Best for Britain, nor Best for Brexit.

Huge own goal really.

the Corbynistas won't countenance it

Nope. I've seen plenty of SM posts yesterday telling moderates it's 'our party now'

The abuse that Stephen Pollard from the Jewish Chronicle got yesterday in a piece he wrote about being scared is quite frightening.

Hi, not sure if anybody will answer as this thread is so long but people keep saying we may get another election soon - why? If Theresa resigns wouldn't the same thing happen when David Cameron resigned and they sorted out a leader themselves? Or is it for another reason?

Corbyn won as in now he can take the Labour Party to the left he would rather this happened than compromise and be in power we all know how he loathed the Labour Party when they were actually in power and the only time they were his 30+ years as an MP

Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and Lansman now have the mandate to take the party further to the left and they absolutely will do so just wait until the conference to see their plans pushed out will be those that supported Blair and Brown they have made no secret of this

But they presented what was an essentially populist manifesto and didn't address the difficulties that the country faces and it's what many wanted to hear (sounds familiar) and Corbyn being a seasoned campaigner was in his element and connected with many people but it wasn't enough but they certainly caught the mood of many and surprisingly many were able to turn a blind eye to how Corbyn has conducted himself and an MP and as leader (he has been shockingly poor)

I doubt he will over night change to become a good politician and be able to lead the opposition well he can sit their smugly for a while gloating at May's disastrous fuck up

We shall see more infighting in the Labour Party I doubt many good experienced mp's will be in the shadow cabinet he prefers to surround himself with the likes of Rayner, Abbott, Gardiner

Agree enthusiasm, now is exactly when we'll see JC's refusal to compromise - I hope I'm wrong though.

We'll have another election soon because no party has a clear mandate and we had 2 very opposed manifestos. That's why

Because she doesn't have a majority. She's relying on the DUP to get bills through parliament. It would only take 9 (?) Tory MPs to rebel and she would lose a confidence vote. At that point she has 14 days to get the votes to win a confidence vote or a new election must be held. There are many Tory MPs who want her gone now and many who will not be happy with the DUP relationship.

Corbyn has won on his terms. He and McDonnell will get on with their business of purging the party of undesirables. They are in clover.

I wonder how long she will be leader I am guessing she will be gone soon

To be replaced by someone that people warm to and like who better than Boris but will people take him seriously enough to vote for him to be PM I'm not sure but he is very popular with voters

After another election we could end up in a similar position

I am so looking forward to PMQs next week.

From the last PMQs

The right hon. Gentleman is right: in something over six weeks we will be back at these Dispatch Boxes. The only question is: where will we be standing? Who will be Prime Minister of this great country? He says that the choice is clear, and it is.

Every vote for him is a vote for a chaotic Brexit; every vote for me is a vote to strengthen our hand in negotiating the best deal for Britain. Every vote for him is a vote to weaken our economy; every vote for me is a vote for a strong economy with the benefits felt by everyone across the country.

Every vote for him is a vote for a coalition of chaos, a weak leader propped up by the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish nationalists; every vote for me is a vote for strong and stable leadership in the national interest, building a stronger and more secure future for this country.

In addition to what tiggytape said, there's also the issue of by-elections, ie what happens when an MP dies or leaves the job. There are usually what, about 4 a year on average? And historically, they almost always favour opposition parties. The Tories would only need to lose a couple of these to have no majority at all even with the DUP. Bear in mind they have two MPs with majorities of less than 50 (although in fairness, there are 10 seats with majorities of less than 100 and the Tories were in second place in three of them).

In the 2015-17 Parliament, the usual rule about by-elections going against governing parties didn't apply. The Tories won a few, which is really unusual. However, there's been a sea change now. They really can't assume that ahistorical trend will continue. Minority government is a bugger to keep together.

Indeed. I remember times in the 92-97 Parliament, when the Tories only had a tiny majority and lots of rebellions, there were instances of people having to come in from hospital.

I mean, even in terms of practicalities, if you take any group of 328 people over a 5 year period, some of whom have constituencies a plane ride away, who have an older average age than the population as a whole, and very stressful jobs, you're going to have some of them not able to be in a particular venue in Central London due to illness and logistics at some points during that 5 year period. You'd have to be lucky enough for none of those points to coincide with a key vote.

The people claiming to think this is going to be stable government can't have given much thought even to basic logistics, and that's before we even start on by-elections and rebellions.