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Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

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Sittinonthefloor · 09/06/2017 14:09

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

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Cuppaoftea · 09/06/2017 21:12

A vote for Labour as a Brexit protest vote makes no sense when Labour campaigned on supporting Brexit this Election.

Lib Dem would've been the way to go.

NoLotteryWinYet · 09/06/2017 21:12

Duh and I did this too - switch from lab to cons for me and lab to lib dem for him. Yes I was worried Corbyn would do well - for good reason as his manifesto avoids any kind of hard choice for 'the many', wealthy pensioners and students from wealthy backgrounds alike.

Labour had more crazy policies than the conservatives.

QuiteUnfitBit · 09/06/2017 21:13

It wasn't that Corbyn's policies were uncosted. It was that they were costed, but they didn't work!!! Smile

NoLotteryWinYet · 09/06/2017 21:13

Dh :) must sleep now...

Fauchelevent · 09/06/2017 21:13

Kensington is the home of the worlds end estate, trellick tower and the pretty deprived areas around Ladbroke Grove. Notting Hill Carnival takes place there. It's not all just the super rich so that could have something to do with it too.

CivQueen · 09/06/2017 21:15

It was that they were costed, but they didn't work!

Quite a few prominent economists disagree with you.

I guess we can put them to the test when Labour win a majority in October Wink

Nightshirt · 09/06/2017 21:16

Not only that, he proposed punishing the very people that provide most of the pocket money, thus risking them taking their money elsewhere - but the sweeties would still need to have been paid for

Has been pointed out repeatedly Labour not suggesting sky high income or corporate tax. Companies and high income earners were very unlikely to leave in droves. Also a country's global competitiveness not only judged on corporate tax levels.

the demonisation of 'the rich not seen Corbyn and colleagues once demonise the rich during the campaign. They merely honestly said asking them with a bit more to pay a bit more. And it is a bit more someone on £90,000 under a Corbyn would have to pay £500 more in tax annually. The poor and disabled have suffered the biggest financial loss proportionally these last seven years. In my eyes the poor and those in IDS words 'languishing on sickness benefits' have frequently been demonised in the press and by remarks from some Tory MP's these past seven years to justify cuts. Know you are are on ESA yet still support Tory so mustn't view it like that but not how I and many others I know have experienced it.

Universal everything, including school dinners, nursery places, musical instruments, university fees, maintenance grants, triple lock (rather than double) on pensions, renationalisation of everything etc etc

The use of the word freebies makes it sound like they are offering free holidays to Vegas, not things that contribute to a economically and socially high functioning society. Even school dinners may save costs in the long run with less healthcare costs.

However, Corbyn's alternative economic model that offers a credible economic alternative with a good chance of working and fairness built into its fabric is not going to be tried as May has hung on. So we continue with more austerity and low economic growth.

Nightshirt · 09/06/2017 21:18
  • said still support Tory, realising making an assumption therem perhaps you didn't, just obviously not Corbyn's Labour.
QuiteUnfitBit · 09/06/2017 21:21

Quite a few prominent economists disagree with you.
Well, we all have to take a view. Smile And if I thought Corbyn would win a majority, maybe I would have voted for him, as it would be worth £9.25k x 12 to my DC, and (as we are old enough to remember the 1970s) we parents will be retired soon!

tabbymog · 09/06/2017 21:24

Only if the Tories couldn't.

Yes of course, but that's not entirely up to the Tories. They could have (1) tried to go on as a minority government; (2) form a formal coalition; or (3) make an informal agreement with another party. It's not clear at the moment which of the latter two they've chosen. If they'd chosen to go on as a minority government they'd have had to present the Queen's Speech to parliament for agreement before the formal opening of the next session. If parliament refused to agree the proposals in the speech the minority government would face a vote of no confidence which if they lost, they'd have to resign.

After that the Queen would then invite the leader of the next most successful party to form a government. The process then starts again. If that PM can't form a government it's expected that another general election is called.

With a majority of two, with a party like the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised to see a vote of confidence laid against the government, but I wouldn't expect Jeremy Corbyn to be the one to do it. It's a pity Alex Salmond lost his seat.

In any event, Jeremy Corbyn was exactly correct in what he said.

angelcakerocks · 09/06/2017 21:25

It doesn't seem credible at a most basic level nighshirt that a bit of extra tax on a small percentage of high earners (assuming they don't then emigrate etc as they already shoulder most the tax burden) is going to fund all of what JC promised - free tuition, writing off tuition fee loans, buying back the railways, more for pensioners, education, NHS etc etc etc. It just defies common sense. There would need to be far more tax hikes all round to fund all of this. You may say that adds up but it doesn't in many peoples minds. Yes lovely to have all that, but unrealistic to think it would come to pass so easily. Would be interesting to see JC flounder if he had have won.

Cuppaoftea · 09/06/2017 21:27

318 for the Tories, allied with 10 DUP MPs when necessary. Sounds like a workable, stable government to me.

MoominFlaps · 09/06/2017 21:30

Would you be saying the same if it was 318 Labour seats coupled with 10 SNP MPs, cuppa? I expect not.

NoCureForLove · 09/06/2017 21:34

I'm thrilled she completely fucked up. Thrilled that she fucked u but still has to see through the fucking shambles that Cameron and Boris cooked up between them. Her and her Tory scum colleagues can take the rap for the fucking disaster that Brexit will be. Hopefully people will remember them for that crock of shit for decades to come.

VenusOfWillendorf · 09/06/2017 21:35

A vote for Labour as a Brexit protest vote makes no sense when Labour campaigned on supporting Brexit this Election.

Protesting Brexit by anyone is a year too late. However there are many flavours of Brexit, and TMs hard Brexit was/is not wanted by many - and they voted against it. And her.
J.Corbyn really didn't need to do much. May really got this wrong on so many levels; from the dementia tax to being seen as responsible for cutting 20,000 police positions during a campaign punctuated by terrorist attacks.

NameChanger22 · 09/06/2017 21:37

I think the only thing that this election has proved is that our politics and nation is completely dysfunctional now. Hardly anyone is going to get what they want from now on.

Labour lost but are deluding themselves that it's a good thing. The Tories won, but they're still not happy; even the Maybot looks knackered and pissed off. And which rock did the DUP crawl out from under?

Meanwhile brexit looms on the horizon but with even more complications and people to apease. Hard brexit? Soft brexit? We'll get what we're given. We've made bad decision after bad decision, and we don't seem to be stopping any time soon.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 09/06/2017 21:39

Would you be saying the same if it was 318 Labour seats coupled with 10 SNP MPs, cuppa? I expect not.

Actually I would.

Whether it would be workable for 5 years who knows.

Anything could happen in that length of time. I mean would Corbyn want to run for PM at 73? I very much doubt if he did he would do a full term.

MoominFlaps · 09/06/2017 21:41

The Tories won, but they're still not happy

Of course they're not, because they didn't win.

QuiteUnfitBit · 09/06/2017 21:41

I'm thrilled she completely fucked up.
How could you be thrilled, when it will affect so many people so badly? Particularly so many at the bottom of society? That's really sad. (I'm sure it will be a disaster, too, whoever's in charge, but I'd like it to be a success, for the sake of the country.)

NameChanger How true! It's like some sort of Shakespeare play...

nina2b · 09/06/2017 21:44

Today 21:41 MoominFlaps

The Tories won, but they're still not happy

Of course they're not, because they didn't win.

Yep. With bells on.

NameChanger22 · 09/06/2017 21:49

They kind of did win, they're still in power for another 5 years. What did I miss?

Lalalandfill · 09/06/2017 21:49

I love the Corbynista's insistence that black is white.
TM did badly, yes, but that doesn't mean the losing party won.

MoominFlaps · 09/06/2017 21:52

I never said labour won, lala. I said the Tories did not win. Which they didn't.

NameChanger22 · 09/06/2017 21:54

Who won then Moomin?

MissShittyBennet · 09/06/2017 21:54

You missed that that's not necessarily the case namechanger.

Re Kensington, yes it's not all rich but it was a safe tory seat. Several thousand majority. I'm not sure they even lost it during the Blair years. The sitting MP was very pro Leave, the electorate weren't, and the Labour candidate exploited that. I don't know why they didn't go Lib Dems instead, since they're a pro Remain party rather than just candidate, but they didn't.