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AIBU in thinking JC should resign?

705 replies

QuiteLikely5 · 09/06/2017 09:38

He's made a mockery of the Labour Party and won votes by creating a manifesto that the country could not afford to deliver!!!

Resign JC !!!

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muckypup73 · 13/06/2017 09:12

Oh and to top it off, the Tories have borrowed more than Labour have in the history of time.

Believeitornot · 13/06/2017 09:12

*our

Thiscantreallybehappening · 13/06/2017 09:14

twofalls - I think that is very true of the super rich but not the vast majority who are on PAYE.

While on the subject, it makes me furious that celebrities like Gary Linekar and Bob Geldoff lecture everyone with their lefty views and then enter tax avoidance schemes. So pleased to hear that they are going to have to pay money back to HMRC. Found it hypocritical of the Lib Dems to then have Bob Geldoff out campaigning with them.

makeourfuture · 13/06/2017 09:17

I know you guys are trying to regroup after your failure....but you need to find something new to bang on about.

  • You are not strong and stable
  • Your economic policy is garbage
  • Your manifesto is a loo roll

You are doubling down on a losing hand.

Dandandandandandandan · 13/06/2017 09:18

Well, Blair and brown inherited a decent economy. For the first few years, the modernisation (which included abandoning the labour commitment to state nationalisation) worked.

Then in about 2000/2001, brown started spending. And spending. And spending. As a consequence of which, when we should have been able to weather the storms in 2008, we weren't in great shape.

The last time we had a government of the Corbyn shade of red, Denis Healy had to go begging to the IMF. How many people who signed up to vote labour in the last few weeks before the election remember that?!

Thiscantreallybehappening · 13/06/2017 09:19

Believeitornot - she said this at one of her campaigns when questioned on tax.

Dandandandandandandan · 13/06/2017 09:19

Hang on.

Stop the press.

The makebot accuses other people of "banging on"? Ahahahahahahahaha. Someone reprogramme it as a hoover or something useful, please.

makeourfuture · 13/06/2017 09:20

Dan, you guys need to go sort yourself out.

Take some time....you are a mess.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 13/06/2017 09:22

Look at the state of our country. 7 years of Tory misrule has led to division and downturn and a fundlemebtal devaluation of our country economically and politically on the world stage

And you are worried about tax rises. LMFAO

Thiscantreallybehappening · 13/06/2017 09:22

make - but even with an absolutely terrible campaign and JC throwing sweets to every one the Tories still got the most seats and a bigger share of the vote.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 13/06/2017 09:23

Make agreed it's like some form of ultimate delusion

GetAHaircutCarl · 13/06/2017 09:24

two the rich person you talk about would not even be included in the 5% JC is talking about.

He has focussed on the identifiable top 5% of earners. There's a relatively small number of them/us.

As far as I can see there are no workable plans to deal with tax avoidance evasion. But maybe I'm wrong.

The heavy reliance on corporation tax is even more risky I think. Corps are not people. They have no reason to exist other than to make profits. When profits are threatened they react accordingly.

Fine if your public spending isn't high or you have diverse income streams. But the Labour manifesto is utterly reliant on it. Yet no one seems even willing to engage with the idea that this is even a teensy bit problematic.

Never mind what happens to your pledge on triple lock if share prices drop Confused.

makeourfuture · 13/06/2017 09:26

make - but even with an absolutely terrible campaign and JC throwing sweets to every one the Tories still got the most seats and a bigger share of the vote.

Keep on down the path you are on. Double down.

But know that as long as you keep the Tory boot on the throat of economic growth, things will not improve.

You are in a hole......stop digging.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 13/06/2017 09:26

Most people will never get a pension let alone a triple lock. To be honest I am sick of pandering to the older generation. It's a losing gambit

Dandandandandandandan · 13/06/2017 09:29

Who do you think "you guys" are, Makebot? You're assuming everyone who didn't vote for JC and the Sweetie Gang is a Tory?

Stop assumptions!
Stop naivete!
Gain maturity!
Insight!

hackmum · 13/06/2017 09:30

I think people who preach the importance of austerity and go on about the lack of a magic money tree haven't really understood how economics works. For a start, quantitative easing, as practised by chancellor George Osborne, is just that: a magic money tree that creates new money and releases it into the economy.

And while a cut in public spending may seem initially attractive as a way of reducing the deficit, that fails to look at the consequences. Take education. Suppose you cut the schools budget by £3bn. Great, you've saved £3bn. What happens next?

Well, the first thing that happens is a load of teachers, teaching assistants and admin staff get made redundant. They are no longer paying tax. Some of them will claim benefits. They are also spending less in the shops, with knock-on consequences for those businesses, who will make less money and contribute less in tax.

There'll also be a knock-on effect on education, of course. Special needs children won't get the support they need. Other children won't receive as good an education so will leave school without key skills, which in turn means the economy won't benefit from the skilled labour it needs, contributing to a further downturn.

You can apply the same arguments to hospitals, of course. Saving money in the short term looks attractive, but in the long term, the consequences, both socially and economically, are disastrous.

GetAHaircutCarl · 13/06/2017 09:31

make I'm not a Tory.

I'm ( generally ) a Labour supporter airing my concerns. There are a lot of us. If you actually want to win an election you need to be prepared to have adult sensible discussions about money.

You won't silence us, or distract us, or bully us away.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 13/06/2017 09:33

How is Make bullying?

makeourfuture · 13/06/2017 09:37

you need to be prepared to have adult sensible discussions about money.

Debt under the Tories?
Failed Monetarism?
Corrupt finance system?

Where do you begin?

makeourfuture · 13/06/2017 09:38

LIBOR
PIP
Exchange rate manipulation
Bottomless pit of universal credit

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 13/06/2017 09:40

I will help Make as Im not an adult either

Pointless referendum to 'heal' the Tory Party
Pointless election to 'increase power
HUGE impact on our nation politically and economically
Crumbling NHS and education structures

But as I said tax rises affecting the rich...Now that's so important

Ficklemarket · 13/06/2017 09:41

Make isn't bullying ffs. Disagreeing with you robustly on an anonymous forum is not bullying.

makeourfuture · 13/06/2017 09:41

Offshore tax dodging
0% taxes paid by major corporations

Again, you guys need to take some time. Sack the guy who came up with "strong and stable", bring in a couple of economists who weren't churned out of that apparently illiterate Oxford economic school, and sort out your manifesto. I suggest also not letting the DUP co-author.

BazookaJoe90 · 13/06/2017 09:43

If the raising of the tax threshold has done so much to help the poor spend more of their own money, then why has my income only gone up £62 a month (before tax) in the last 4 and a half years? It works out at around £11 a week after tax, so fuck all really given how much the cost of everything has increased in those years. I earn just over £19k, and all I know is I'm spending less on shite that I don't need but might keep the economy going, and just buying petrol and food, and that is the case for millions of people.

GColdtimer · 13/06/2017 09:45

Get, there is a lot in the manifesto about tackling tax avoidance and evasion. Now, how easy that will be to put in practice is another matter.

This is an interesting article on that: www.independent.co.uk/voices/tax-avoidance-general-election-2017-labour-manifesto-pledge-tory-party-evasion-british-virgin-a7776856.html

Clearly austerity hasn't worked, for the reasons hackmum outlined above and its why many, many economists do not believe in austerity.

I also agree that the hypocrisy of Gary Linekar and Bob Geldof sickens me.