AIBU to think TM will resign?

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I know she has said she won't but that pretty much means she will if her record is anything to go by! What do you think?

I wish she would. I don't see how given her campaign message, she could carry on. But it's looking like she will

Gosh Maqueen what a strange position to take!

Corbyn was known to be opposed to the EU as an undemocratic institution long before brexit. However, as is his wont, he went with a majority labour decision on where to focus their efforts, especially faced with the risks of brexit under a conservative government.

He never even really pretended otherwise.

How bizarre to accuse him of that given the conservatives are forming an alliance with homophobic racist new earth bigots who have stated they want soft borders within Ireland and the UK.

Unfortunately I won't be back to defend this as son1 has had an accident training for his next international tournament and dislocated a jaw, just waiting for coach to deliver him home, but i think my post pretty clear.

Adieu.

Whichever way I voted, I actually feel sorry for TM - whilst JC and the other leaders were busy campaigning and appearing on talk shows and doing debates, she (and her ministers) had to actually keep the country running and also deal with the not insubstantial matter of two huge terrorist attacks during the last few weeks! I would much rather she had focussed on the Cobra meetings and MI5 and 6 meetings rather than stand in front of an audience answering inane questions.

My post was badly worded. What I meant was that JC would be opposed to Brexit going smoothly and professionally. He is an anarchist at heart and prefers chaos, and rabble rousing.

He rejects 'the establishment and views himself as a grey, tank-top wearing Che Guevara....with a disturbing penchant for supporting the activities of the IRA.

As an aide, sorry about your poor DS - ocuh

May should try to go with dignity. Oh wait - she doesn't have any of that stuff.

She was given a kick in the teeth - most deservedly - for taking the voting public for granted. It's what's called a lesson in humility.

As for feeling sorry for her - what a ludicrous idea.

TM tweeted on 20th May: If I lose just six seats I will lose this election and Jeremy Corbyn will be sitting down to negotiate with Europe WTF is she doing going to the palace? I suppose it would look dreadful to step aside and let Boris Johnson or whoever take the wheel and have a new leader the day after the election.

The only reason she hasn't been forced to resign is that no-one, but no-one, could possible want their next few weeks to look like her next few weeks.

Knives will be being sharpened until she crumbles in a few weeks time.

And it gives Labour further chance to grasp the mettle of more engaged voters, increased support and a strong desire for change in much of the populous.

Whatsername I hate seeing personal attacks on anyone but TM and her team made the campaign about her and the manifesto (which was not even reviewed by the cabinet) was awful. I had hoped she would have some good ideas and be a good PM but there i have seen no indiction of this, not just from the campaign. I think she will be gone in weeks.

'May should try to go with dignity. Oh wait - she doesn't have any of that stuff. '

Yes well remember people have been saying the same to JC for months and he ignored it. He's currently being treated like the next messiah, fickle people who have lapped up a 6 week campaign promising everything and as we well know he won't have to prove any of his fairytale nonsense. TM should stand down, she's made a calamitous error which she can't recover any credibility from.

Wow, some posters really do believe all the pro Tory nonsense that's been rammed down their throats over the last few weeks. Maybe critical thinking should be urgently added to the curriculum, so the next generation are at least capable of reading something, then investigating into the truth of what was said, rather than blindly following.

Norway
Sweden
Denmark
Iceland
New Zealand
Ireland
Netherlands

All left wing countries with a party in power with an exceptionally similar manifesto to Labour's. All economically far sounder than us. Labour deliver a costed and balanced manifesto, one that would work for all rather than the minority. One that upheld the belief that everyone is entitled to access to a decent, free at point of use health service. One designed to help people help themselves out of poverty. Corporate tax here is amongst the lowest in the world, under Labour's manifestoit STILL would have been one of the lowest. Why shouldn't people earn a wage that enables them to be independent of benefits? Why should the government shore up your business because you don't want to, or can't pay a living wage (and frankly, if you can't afford to pay a living wage, your business is an indulgence).

And yet those of you who voted Tory happily voted for a party who built their campaign on smearing a man who has categorically denied being a terrorist sympathiser, a man who was awarded the Gandhi Peace Prize for his efforts at bringing about peace, a man who was slurred for trying to bring peace at a time when the Toried were doing exactly the same thing in secret. And then they announce they're getting into bed with the DUP; a despicable and backwards party, born of terrorists themselves, anti abortion, anti LGBT, pro creationist, and frankly an embarrassment in a civilised country.

The Tories have brought nothing but chaos and instability. We now have a situation where future generations have had their right to live and work within the EU taken away from them, the right to a free education taken away from them, the right to a decent NHS taken away from them. The right to earn a living wage, without a zero hour contract taken away from them. And you wonder why 75% of the 18-25's voted, most of them overwhelmingly for Labour?

Anyone who thinks May has been good for this country is a deluded fool. Anyone who then goes on to blame this on Corbyn, or anyone else other than themselves and the Tories, is frankly too fucking stupid to be let near the internet, and needs to go away and have a good look in the mirror, because I personally couldn't look people in the eye if I'd done so. Selfish, selfish, stupid people.

As for the IRA slurs, which I see are still being touted.

The photos of him meeting with Gerry Adams are taken inside the House of Commons in 1996, AFTER the peace treaty had been signed. A process which he played a large part in bringing about.

Theresa May wrote to former paramilitary Martin McGuiness, congratulating him on his retirement, and again wrote to his family commiserating them on his death. May, Johnson, Hurd, all met with the IRA, with ample photographic evidence to show this.

The Tories have a former active IRA member as current serving politician. Maria Gatland nee McGuire was a gun runner, and lover of David O'Connell. Yet you hold no objections to that, an actual IRA member.

The Tories are now jumping into bed with the DUP, born of another former terrorist organisation, anti abortion, anti LGBT, who believe that the earth is 6000 years old, that creationism should be taught in schools, and are pretty much as batshit as Trump and his ilk.

Hypocrites. Lying hypocrites.

Some cracking quotes including Save Ulster from Sodomy.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ian-paisley-from-the-scarlet-woman-of-rome-to-the-devils-buttermilk-big-ians-notable-quotes-30582283.html

Well well well.

According to Alex Wickham, David Lammy has said that Dianne Abbott 'is better'

Better than Amber Rudd?

Yep. Absolutely.

It's not going to look good on you if you start slurring a sick woman. Yes, she absolutely should have stepped aside earlier, but she is an extremely popular, highly intelligent MP, who has held her seat for many years. Bit more respect, please, particularly when you compare her to the clusterfuck that is May.

I suppose we always knew that the Tories would go to bed with anyone in order to stay in power.
I'm glad it wasn't the LD's this time, they'll have leaned a hard lesson after losing Nick Clegg, the students revenge I heard it called.

On some level she is human (I think) and she will be absolutely cringing about all this. Campaign was terrible, she was useless under pressure and missing the TV debate was a massive error. Now she's got to face Brussels and pretend she is strong and stable and watch them trying not to laugh. The party will be baying for her blood, the media is putting enormous pressure on her and social media is screaming about resignation. I don't think she has the appetite or the strength to withstand this, especially as it was all her own arrogant, cocksure doing. Seeing her twitchy apology just now confirmed it for me, she's halfway out the door, I give her 3 months max. And I will be delighted; if I hear her croak 'in the national interest' one more time I will scream!

She's toast. The only reason she hasn't been forced to resign is that no one, but no one, wants Theresa May's next few weeks to be their next few weeks.

Of course she should resign.
She persued a reckless and antagonistic Brexit narrative without actually ever bothering to explain what that would be. Her persuit of this in the face of actually being a remainer showed how wobbly her moral compass was when her personal career was involved.
She learnt literally nothing from watching Cameron throw the country into chaos by trying to deal with UKIP and the right of his party via a poorly worded referendum and chose to try and destroy any opposition and secure herself a 5 year term because she thought Labour were hopeless.
Her campaign was appalling. She tried to gain votes by creating a personality cult around her - all the early campaign stops had vote for May signs and didn't reference the conservatives until about a week ago.
Calling an election on the basis that the other parties were obstructing Brexit was such a lie I find it extraordinary that anyone anywhere believes it. Article 50 was passed by labour under a 3 line whip.
The election which happened 11days before Brexit negotiations were scheduled to begin was reckless and ridiculous and have brought us to here.

Anyone under any illusions about the havoc that will be created in NI when a hopelessly weak May needs the batshit DUP to get anything done is ignoring history.

This is all very bad and was entirely, entirely of her making.

She has shown herself entirely insuitable to run her party and the government and the fact that her immediate response shows she has no recognition of how fucked this all is is as bad as everything else.

Her trite rote 'coalition of chaos' 'strong and stable' 'money tree' sound bites were entirely symptomatic of how awful a politician she is - unable to engage or discuss or expand a point. The echoing of those phrases always makes me roll my eyes . How can anyone repeat those things and not be aware that they prove how May treated the electorate as thoroughly stupid and occasionally seems to have over estimated them.

Ken Clarke was spot on on BBC last night. Unless someone wakes up to the fact that cross party consensus and co-operation is desperately needed then we are all fucked.

'Bit more respect, please, particularly when you compare her to the clusterfuck that is May.'

'clusterfuck'?

I think when someone goes on TV and makes as many cock ups as Abbott has people will criticise. If she is ill that's a shame, but someone should have pointed out how poorly she was performing months ago.

Who on earth would succeed her? Please not Boris or any other of the posh boys. Or the ghastly Liam Fox.
My bet would be on Amber Rudd, Anna Soubry or Margot James. But then I'm not a Tory so why should my opinion matter?

Beautifully put, Paggy lovely.

Or, she should resign because she took a gamble to get a larger majority and failed it's as simple as that.
Not need for all the 'batshit' , 'clusterfuck' and whatever other lovely insults people have.

'According to Alex Wickham, David Lammy has said that Dianne Abbott 'is better'

Well that's good news! such a quick recovery.

Thank you theniffler - although I'm soz about all the mistakes.
I'm tired from my Comey/election marathon yesterday