TO BE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED AT A HUNG PARLIAMENT

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This is the best outcome by miles. No hard brexit. (The city now predicts soft Brexit or even no Brexit!!!) No more crazy ideas by either side. Compromise. Tories given a good slap in the face for this stupid election.

This is the first election day in a long time with a good result!

Yet she comes from school saying her 9 year old friends all want Corbyn to win because he will stop them from having to go back to the EU ( mixed eu families)

But that's not come from brainwashing lefties, has it? The question has been asked repeatedly if EU nationals will be guaranteed the right to stay here and the answer has effectively been: "we're not telling you."

My 4 yr old son (with a French father) come home from school crying that Papa would have to go away. We didn't tell him that. People crowing endlessly about "taking back our sovereignty and our borders", and repeating it in earshot of their children fed him that message. It cuts both ways.

Look how much of the country is blue - there are many more tiny red ones!

Oh dear Lord.

I think it's fucking outrageous btw that May triggered art 50 before she called the general election she said she wouldn't call.

Now because the Brexit negs are supposed to begin in ten days, (and you can bet she will want to hold us to that schedule- even though there are plenty of European tweets on the BBC website about starting 'when we are ready'..) she can present her DUP- supported minority govt as necessarily expedient because, you know, we are about to face the hostile EU negotiators in ten days' time: so we need her stability.

So we are about to be bounced into the negotiations by a timing that May has dictated all along, while the hostility level of those negs has been massively ramped up. By her.

The vote share percentage is very close. On this occasion the mismatch between vote share percentage and seat share percentage has favoured the Tories. I don't know that you want to start complaining about seats favouring Labour right now.

Thanks underparmummy

It really would be for the best...

And yet Corbyn clamoured for article 50 to be served the next day, no?

Banana. Read the links if you don't understand the point behind the map. "Oh lord" yourself!!

On the one hand May went ot the country and said "give me a mandate for a hard Brexit" and was told "no"

Not quite that simple. She was told there are lots we need to discuss other that Brexit.

Not surprised by the unprincipled hypocrisy of the Tories here.

Throwing accusations around about Corbyn then jumping into bed with anyone to get power.

Truly the nasty party.

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God wouldn't it be great if Brexit just went away. But it's here.

Corbyn didn't create it. Perhaps it can all be unraveled back to Cameron letting the referendum happen. But Corbyn wasn't vocal, wasn't present, wasn't in your face against it. Perhaps if he'd brought the voters to that that he's brought to this election it would have made the difference to that was needed to swing the result.

Oh great, I've found everyone! Just caught up with the thread. Pretty happy this morning.

spiney I agree. I blame Cameron primarily for Brexit. He pledged the referendum for purely personal and party gain (so he thought), to solidify his own position and win the 2015 General Election, expecting an easy victory for "Remain" after securing supposed concessions from the EU. Corbyn's heart wasn't in the campaign which was definitely a fault, but it's not where the fault for Brexit lies, as you say.

"Throwing accusations around about Corbyn then jumping into bed with anyone to get power.

Truly the nasty party."

Gosh, the people of NI may possibly have their views legitimately heard, and the Corbynistas are complaining? Im pleased for NI.

I am not a Corbyn fan (he is OK though,) and I voted for Brexit.

However, young people did not vote for Labour to get back at the oldies who voted for Brexit. They voted because they love Corbyn because is a hero to them as he is warm and friendly, he engages with people, he is kind and compassionate, and he cares. Also, they realised their mistake last time, when only a third of them came out to vote, and we ended up with the leave vote winning. It wasn't about getting the old buggars back.

Don't under-estimate the young; they're smart and savvy, but they took their eye off the ball with Brexit. And as some people have said, not enough is taught about politics and some didn't even know what it was about. Til it was too late!!!

The Tories are who I called the nasty party.

Loving the Tories trying to paint this as a good outcome for them though

Gosh, the people of NI may possibly have their views legitimately heard, and the Corbynistas are complaining? Im pleased for NI.

Just over 290k people. Not all the people.

It is now 319 Conservative. 326 is a majority - so 7 seats short. It will not be that hard for the Tories to continue in power in that case. 1 seat is still left to count

319 is almost enough. The speaker and deputy speakers don't vote in parliament, so the effective total of seats is 647. Then there are (I think) 7 Sinn Fein MPs, and they never attend. That reduces the number of MPs voting on bills to 640, so 321 is theoretically enough to push things through.

Assuming that they all do as they're told and none of them are ever ill, in hospital or off on a jolly when they're needed.

During the period when Harold Wilson had a majority of 3, they used to say that the whips would have Labour members going through the lobbies on stretchers if they had to.

And some people of NI will have voices heard. Unless they are gay of course.

Kensington and Chelsea declared Labour, so they are all counted.

I don't get what a 'soft' brexit or a 'hard' brexit is. That seems to be an idea of our own making. From the European point of view we are in or out. And we are still out

Yes but there's a difference between going in with a very antagonistic agenda and not doing so. And we could join EFTA, the EU doesn't get a say about that, although if we wanted to stay in the EEA we'd have to pay money to the EU. I don't think the EU would object to us staying in the customs union, it's much smoother for European supply chains.

There are definite differences in the DUP approach and the May/Davies/Johnson/Fox approach.

For me, a hard brexit is falling out of the EU in a chaotic fashion with no deal. Anything more collaborative than that is "softer".

I am pretty sure May will meet the Queen at 12.30pm and ask to form a Government as is her right as the British people voted the Tories in as the party with most seats.

I think she might need to sew up her deal with the DUP first.

When we had a hung parliament in 1974, Heath took a few days trying to sew up a deal with the Liberals before he resigned.

I quite like the idea of Maybot asking the queen for her consent to form a government and Her Maj asking "And how are you going to do that, dear?"

Put like that Mulled - your interpretation of soft and hard - why just why would anyone/ any party want a 'hard ' Brexit?

Still possible that Corbyn demands a minority government ..... (the principled democratic man that he is ?