AIBU to seriously wonder who reads The Daily Mail and The Sun?

[Blandings]

Both papers today have done themselves proud with their anti-Labour rhetoric and lies/misinformation.

So it does beg the question, who reads this rubbish and believes it? Anybody with half a brain cell and google can find facts out for themselves.

Am I being naive and people just don't want the truth, they want a version of facts that they believe is true?

Apart from anything else, it's just absolutely rubbish journalism.

I dislike them both, but the Daily Mail more (the paper that supported the Blackshirts).

The Sun is a comic of sorts and those who buy it seem to recognise this. Whereas those who buy the Daily Mail seem to think it is a serious newspaper, and to me it is filled with more hatred than the Sun.

Lady, as I said above, I'm working class by birth. I have no issues at all with lower middle class people - I probably am one myself, as you say. (If you could hear me, you'd hear me saying all of this in an estuary accent).

I'm just saying - taxonomically - where the Daily Mail fits in terms of who reads it.

Whereas those who buy the Daily Mail seem to think it is a serious newspaper,

That's the worrying thing about this thread. I thought prople read it for entertainment rather than news.

As opposed to the pro Labour rhetoric on MN?

Papers can say what they want within reason

So can internet sites

You don't have to ageee with it but if anyone wants to live in a regime where papers just publish what the government says then I'm sure that other countries can accommodate that

Those who are after scratchy low quality toilet paper?

Yeah but you get more shit on than it takes off...

I read The Mail - for the "magazine" style stuff. Strangely enough I am capable of separating editorial content bias from reality - by reading and watching news from a number of different sources.

If you never read anything you disagree with, then you simply become more narrow minded - no matter which side it is providing your source material.

You're still subsidising something and encouraging something toxic

So a satirical cartoon is just as offensive as a photo? The photo was used to comment on two MPs' bodies whereas the cartoon was used to make a political statement. You might think it's crude or distasteful which is fine but to equate the two is ridiculous.

No, a satirical cartoon showing Theresa May being buggered by Donald Trump, who the Guardian consider to be a sexual predator, is far more offensive than a photo (there was absolutely nothing offensive about the photo in itself) and a silly pun.

I think you have put your finger on the Guardian's MO though. As long as it's for political purposes, anything is acceptable.

The cartoon made me feel physically sick. The sexual imagery and the type of sexual act depicted (I don't know of you know the cartoon Bell's cartoon referred to, but the legs in that were the other way up, why would he have put them the other way round, I wonder?) was intended to sexually humiliate TM. Whatever you think of her politics, setting out to humiliate women in the public eye using humiliating sexual imagery versus a photo with a pun referring to the fact that NS and TM both had their legs on show. Goodness, which is more offensive?

Well I know the answer for many people, sadly, which is that it depends where it is published, which is the point I was trying to make earlier. The "it's in the Guardian so it must be okay" approach.

Try thinking

1. how you would feel if a cartoon like that of you, or your mother or daughter was published in the national press and

2. how the Guardian etc would react if the Mail or other tabloid published a cartoon like that.

I didn't like the cartoon but I find the DM's attitude to women far more offensive.

I think everyone reads the Mail Online.

Judging by the constant references to it on here and on my Facebook, usually in horrified "daily fail" terms, I'm pretty sure everyone is secretly reading it if only to offend themselves!!

If people just stopped constantly going on about it, it wouldn't have the profile it has.

Always makes me laugh when people post links to the daily mail and call it the fail and most about the content.

Don't read it snd don't link it then

My PIL used to be some of the most left leaning people I knew. Think shop stewards in unions, former Labour cllrs and then someone told them the Saturday issue of the DM contains a really good TV guide and a few decent crosswords. Now they have been exposed to that shite for five years some of the crap they come out with is unbelievable.

My MIL is an avid reader of the DM and believes everything she reads. My sister, colleagues and boss are readers of the DM - all clever, sensible people but this is their main source of news I almost fell out with them during Brexit for quoting some of the crap in the DM.

There's no worse a smug sneery snob than a young left winger. I know I used to be one.

Then I got older and more sensible and realised I knew fuck all really.

Who still reads newspapers anyway except the op who clearly reads the sun and the mail,

Vote Tory urge newspapers owned by billionaire tax avoiders

I love all the attacks on the left wing here and sweeping generalisations. I consider myself left wing but I do not consider myself superior to others and I am most definitely not a snob. I just believe in a fairer society is all.

Honestly, if I wasn't already reading it, I would after seeing all these threads, if only to see what the fuss is all about.

Are you actually paid by the DM to bring them even more publicity? I have never heard of a newspaper so many times in a forum!

What about the american or australian posters? Are you reading it too?

My PiL read it. We had a discussion a couple of weeks ago about the election. They were seriously shocked when we pointed out the absolute bias of the DM.
They were also shocked to hear TM has got rid of 20,000 police officers and the reason FIL was having to wait 10 weeks to see a heart consultant about a serious heart issue, was because of this govt.

Some people are just extremely naive and not very well read.

well aren't they lucky to have somebody more intelligent, and obviously totally unbiased, to explain it all to them.

This is all about England. In Scotland people read The Daily Record, The Herald or The Scotsman.

To be honest I get a bit eye rolly about the boycotting of the Sun in Liverpool.

It's become a bandwagon to jump on rather than something meaningful.

My parents read the Mail - they are 53-55, school secretary and factory engineer, don't know how they vote - suspect Tory

And my grandparents - mid 70s - read the Sun 🙈 - they are a retired playschool teacher and welder. Don't know how they vote - but know they voted Brexit.

I like the Guardian or Indy but to be honest never read either.

The Sun is for the illiterate. The Mail is for the very lower middle class who aspire to be seen as middle class.