AIBU to seriously wonder who reads The Daily Mail and The Sun?

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Both papers today have done themselves proud with their anti-Labour rhetoric and lies/misinformation.

So it does beg the question, who reads this rubbish and believes it? Anybody with half a brain cell and google can find facts out for themselves.

Am I being naive and people just don't want the truth, they want a version of facts that they believe is true?

Apart from anything else, it's just absolutely rubbish journalism.

Old people, in my Nans retirement home it's all they buy them, she's 95 and one of the younger ones, they won't tolerate any other paper. I bought her the local paper once and she asked me what tat I had brought??? Loads of people in the 85 plus age group are quite racist they lap it all up!

Fortunately I am intelligent enough to disregard the politics and just read the actually news That literally makes no sense especially in light of your previous sentence.

And the 23000 jihadi story is also in The Guardian - you might have missed it because it wasn't dressed up as in the hysterical sensationalism you seem to prefer.

Yes, I think insults are always the best way to go if you disagree with someone.

Do you really not think 23,000 jihadi in the UK is worthy of hysterical sensationalism a headline or an article focused on the security services report rather than someone's response to it?

If I have missed articles like this in the Guardian, please do link to them. I may have, but I can't find any.

Yes, I think insults are always the best way to go if you disagree with someone.

As opposed to the insults AND sarcasm you used?

bruffian I will as I believe it to be true. And so do the majority of people I know. Although it is true that we tend to associate ourselves with people who hold similar views to us.
I'll be voting Labour as is my democratic right.

And no, I am not looking up links for you, do your own research.

It is this worrying that many (not all) readers accept what they are fed without question. For all its faults, the same really cannot be said about the Guardian.

I completely disagree with this (the second bit). The Guardian used to be a proper newspaper, presenting unbiased news and investigative journalism. Many readers are still under the missapprehension that it is.

I wasn't suggesting you do my research. I was suggesting that if anyone wants to refute my claim that the Guardian hasn't published any articles specifically about the 23,000 jihadi on our streets, I am happy to stand corrected if they link to the evidence.

I flip through most of the big online uk papers daily. Times, telegraph, dm, guardian, indie. FT and smaller Publications too, if looking for specifics.

It's interesting to see how they cover the same events. In fact, seeing how, say, the DM, the guardian, the times and the independent cover the same story is almost as informative as the story itself.

All new outlets have a bias. I don't like the bias of the DM. But I don't like the bias of the guardian either, I'm finding it to be a left wing daily mail just now. There's certainly a gap for a more neutral (as neautral as you can be) news provider.

Times has great writing, good foreign coverage, but a tad right wing.

You may not like the DM, and I don't like it either, but a significant proportion of the population read it. You ignore that at your peril - look at brexit. People were aghast that anyone had voted for it because in their own little social media echo chamber everyone has similar opinions.
I voted remain - that's what I personally thoigh was best. But I know a lot of people who voted leave. And I understand their reasoning too.

Bottom line: you are not served by existing in a bubble and only interacting with news/social media you agree with.

I read the DM online, it's great entertainment. If I didn't before, all the posts on this forum about it would have brought me to it anyway, if this site was paid to promote the DM they wouldn't do any different!
I wouldn't bother buying it, but it's online so good for me.

I also read OK or Hello in the waiting room of my dentist or hairdresser.

I also happen to read other media about the news, including foreign news to have a complete different point of view.

I am reading this forum for entertainment also, and find it hilarious that some posters don't seem to realise that others could be absolutely anyone and have an agenda they haven't even thought about. It's so easy to write a sob story to put a point forward, even if you are sitting comfortably in your fancy office.

Do you honestly believe all the posters are real, and the only "journos" and others are the obvious ones?

metspengler

"Grubby lower class people who probably don't even live near a waitrose or a good school."

You obviously haven't stepped inside a Waitrose store yourself then - there are stacks of the DM at every till.
Personally, I prefer to pick up my 'free' copy of The Times or The Telegraph. The Independent and The Guardian seem quite visible as well - not noticed The Mirror or The Sun though. Most newspaper reading couples that I know will buy more than one daily paper.

The graun used to be a great paper.

It's now a deeply misogynistic apologist rag, who place 'not offending religious men' above 'rights and equality and secular civil society for all.'

It still occasionally pulls an act of brilliance out of the hat (snowdon) but I imagine the genuine old school journos there are cringing at the right on apologist shit and vacuous millennial whining they are increasingly filling the pages with.

My parents buy the Daily Mail, my dad loves the hysteria and buys it for a laugh. They're both lefties from leftie families (not intended as an insult.) and they enjoy reading things from a different point of view. They know a lot of it is bollocks. They also buy a left wing paper.

Bottom line: you are not served by existing in a bubble and only interacting with news/social media you agree with.

Absolutely

My mum reads the Daily Mail and little else. She is constantly telling me things she's read in it which are complete tripe. I've told her so many times not to believe anything she reads in the bloody thing, and that she can find the truth online but unfortunately this is the only source where she gets her information.

She is voting Tory, of course.

My local petrol station gives The Sun away for free! 😃

I'm from Liverpool and morally you're not allowed to read the sun. For obvious reasons. In fact a lot of shops here don't even stock here, if any. Come to think of it.

Both papers today have done themselves proud with their anti-Labour rhetoric

Why do not object to papers with an anti-Conservative rhetoric?

Allegretto which part of only reading the actual 'news' i.e. recent events, not the political stories , does not make sense?

Great to see I've started a "heated debate" as Mrs Merton would have said, so early in the morning.

So, let's get onto those comments throughout:

• no I don't read them (for blinding obvious reasons). You may or may not be aware but both Sky and the BBC do a review of tomorrow's papers at about 11pm each night so you get to see the gaudy headlines and hear the crux of the article without having to read them. Plus the more lurid and outrageous headlines also get picked up by the broadsheets.

• metspengler what a bizarre rant. Are you saying that all Sun and Daily Mail readers are grubby lower class people? I wouldn't stand for that if I were a Sun or Daily Mail reader, that's just outrageous .

• PigletWasPoohsFriend if you would like to start a churlish thread as a tit for tat on the merits of people who read the Mirror and the Guardian, feel free. I read one of those papers (I'll leave you to guess which one, shouldn't be hard) but at least that paper is divided into news (fact 99.9% of the time) and opinion pieces (not always based on fact but commentators views). Let's say The Sun and Daily Mail seem to report most opinion as fact.

• waitforit I refer you to my first comment

• Nikephorus have I touched a nerve? Who brought left wing media into it? I just singled out 2 particularly bad newspapers for reporting FACTS and essentially scaremongering for a political agenda. I read right wing media such as The Times and The Telegraph, even though I don't like a lot of their opinion articles, as well as the more centrist and left wing media such as The Guardian and The Independent. But I also read research other sources and then make up my mind. No brainwashing here I'm afraid!

• justmatureenough2bdad so what you're saying is that Sun and Daily Mail readers have a chip on their shoulder? Interesting way to go to show your support.........................................

• CrossWordSalad I understand some vote UKIP

• BabsGanoush not sneering, genuinely asking a question but thanks for your contribution.

• amicissimma haven't you heard the old adage quality over quantity. Plus Candle in the Wind is the best selling single of all time, doesn't make it the best single ever (not even close - sorry all those Elton fans)

• bruffian, TheLambShankRedemption and waitforitfdear plus anybody else who makes this comment (I bet you had a really chuckle to yourself as you typed that up - "ha, I've got her now"). I refer you to my first answer.

Right, was going to continue with responding to others but need to go and do some work.

Thanks so far all your comments and views.

*Grubby lower class people who probably don't even live near a waitrose or a good school.

Yuck - probably best to ignore them if you can, but if you are stuck with them try to explain what sort of newspapers they should read.*

Couldn't put it better.
But carry on with your virtue signalling OP you are clearly more superior then the rest of us!

- CrossWordSalad I understand some vote UKIP

Are you suggesting that I read the Mail and/or Sun and support/vote UKIP?

0/3 for your deductive powers, I do none of these three.

(nb I see articles from all papers on Twitter and when googling specific stories).

It always amazes me how people who profess never to read the Daily Mail are so intimately aware of its contents. People seem to seek out Katie Hopkins articles. I don't read the Daily Mail so have to follow the links or look online to see what's got people in a stew. But some people must be on it straightaway every morning just to get themselves worked up.

Furthermore the influence of newspapers is declining. The most biased news is actually via social media. Look at all the "placed" political posts on MN!

but at least that paper is divided into news (fact 99.9% of the time)

No, like every news outlet they interpret facts that supports its view

Old people, badly educated Tories and pervs.