To think the KKK do not pose the same threat as radicalised Islamists?

[Helendee]

What it says above really. I make no excuses for the KKK, they are obviously racist, supremacist and have the blood of many innocent people on their hands but do they really compare with the current threat? I have been told that they do.

Here in the US, they do. They have bombed buildings, engaged in mass shootings, and stabbed people on public transit.

... and they have infiltrated the institutions that are meant to protect citizen. How is that not something to be feared?

Why pile onto the OP when she was asking a genuine question?

She meant, as I think we all know, on a global level. Yes her post was unintentionally full of white privilege but people have educated her and she seems genuinely sorry and willing to listen.

I, for one, have found the thread interesting as I didn't realise that the Alt-Right was much more than a bunch of angry white male keyboard warriors pissed off at the gains made by women and minorities.

But I see now that they are more powerful than I expected that they've just managed a more legal route and that we can expect a whole load of regressive policies which are unfortunately already happening.

I think people need to stop being mean to each other. We're all still reeling from the past few weeks and people are struggling to make sense of things. These are scary times, so let's be nice to each other!

No I'm saying there are monumental levels of denial and delusion among so many people on here and its frightening --- really it is

D Trump's 'pussy grabbing' remark represents as much of an existential threat to us and our children on a night out, as ISIS and their proxy nut jobs that live among us do?

I've always thought of a lot of MNetters as mostly lefty - idealists who are a bit wrongheaded but trying to do the right thing, but this stuff is pure mentalism.

The primary threat to the UK (excluding Northern Ireland) remains Islamist extremists, but the threat from the far-right is growing fast

Crackednips, whats funny is that when you're not cracking yourself up in laughter at what you think is the hyperbole of other posters (mainly after you have deliberately exagerated/misinterpreted the point they were trying to make), you're posting some pretty panicky shit yourself:

"When your kneeling beside an open pit in a orange jumpsuit with a knife across your throat, you can rest assured you wern't a bigot."

It is possible to be concerned with more than one type of extremism, and it is possible to discuss those concerns in a constructive way without being nasty/dismissive of the fears of others. Some people in Britain DO have reason to be scared of violent racists - just because you think they pose less of a threat to you, doesn't mean you have to laugh at people who are frightened of them. And just because someone says that they feel threatened by the increased normalisation of racism and intolerance, does not mean that they don't also feel threatened by Daesh inspired terrorism.

Some people in Britain have reason to fear their house slipping into the North Sea FFS but what do you see as the more insidious and immediate threat to one and all of us here - at present. The prospect of that, Racist attack or Muslim terrorists murdering innocent people for the glory of their god?

I think its only reasonable of us and responsible for us, to get our priories in order here dont you? So you'll have top forgive me for being a little cross at the virtue signalling bollocks I'm reading here. 'White racists' are not out blowing up children at pop concerts and targeting young women for violent death. Wake the f* up

Last time I checked the op asked as a general question and not specifically to the uk. @Crackednips
And people answered it accordingly.

If you are basing this argument on what is more of a threat to people in this country as a general rule, then men are more of a terror to women and children who are killed and abused every day of the year. We don't even see it as terrorism because it's become the norm that adds to yearly statistics and brushed aside.

So stop being obtuse will you.

Seriously, it's not a competition that one should win. In the uk, the priority is tackling terrorism. We all know that. However, killing innocent people is still killing and it does not matter what shape or form it comes in. Unless it's a retaliation against those who have committed the murder then there is a case to argue for it. (As in police shooting the terrorist to stop any further massacres)

crackednips

Actually, a more immediate danger is being run over on my way to work

And yes

I think the two women a week who are being murdered by their partners or ex-partners are more of a concern for me

(my last post was in support of quencher's

I see both the rise of white nationalist extremism and the rise of Islamic extremism as threats we need to face up to. I think that both need to be tackled, and I don't think that because I'm a "PC liberal", nor because I want to show off how "virtuous" I am, nor even because I think it is the moral thing to do. Its for selfish reasons - because I think the best way to keep myself and my children safe is to fight back against white nationalist extremism AS WELL AS Islamic extremism.
The extremes feed off each other. Pretending that these things exist in a vacuum, and willfully misinterpreting those who raise the problem of racism and Islamophobia is not going to make us safer.
Get angry at my priorities all you like, I stand by them.

We don't have to choose which extremist ideology is the lesser of two evils - both are shit. An insidious idea is being pushed by some that a version of white nationalist fascism is the only thing that can save us from Islamic extremist fascists. Its not true.

Everything @squishysquirmy said ^ while nodding my head approvingly.

I also agree squishy

Ok all of your nice , non racist credentials have been duly noted.

But who are you or your sons and daughters on a night out (being run over - put aside for a minute) more likely to be murdered by ? Is it

Muslim Jihadists or the KKK ?

But who are you or your sons and daughters on a night out (being run over - put aside for a minute) more likely to be murdered by ? Is it

Muslim Jihadists or the KKK ?

None of the above. A partner or ex partner by a factor of about a billion.

Statistically speaking:
My daughter (if she was older) is most likely to be murdered by her boyfriend, or by her ex. Right now, she is most likely to be murdered by us, her parents.

Once again, comparing the KKK (one specific organisation based in the US) against Jihadis (a broad range of different organisations and individuals) is stupid, because you are not comparing like with like. Yes, WITHIN THE UK I am more likely to be murdered by Jihadis than the KKK But both are very, very, very unlikely.
My daughter is white, so is probably safe from white supremacists, but not from mysogenists who she will no doubt encounter as she grows up. The chances of her falling victim to any terrorist attack are vanishingly small (and no, that is not to take away how awful it must be for the families who are affected). Far right extremism does increase the chances of her being affected by Islamic terror, of course. As will any stupid, knee-jerk, draconian policies based on anger and revenge. Hate is a positive feedback loop.
The chances of my mixed race nephew being racially assaulted at some point in his life are incredibly high. He is only 3, and has already had verbal abuse.

What Squishy said.

White supremacy; not necessarily KKK because I don't think it's a valid comparison.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/27/portland-double-murder-white-supremacist-muslim-hate-speech

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/alexandre-bissonnette-alleged-quebec-city-mosque-gunman

www.channel4.com/news/norway-gunman-to-appear-in-court

www.jta.org/2016/12/23/news-opinion/world/in-warsaw-students-flock-to-hanukkah-event-following-classmates-anti-semitism

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trollhättan_school_attack

www.newstatesman.com/2009/07/mehdi-hasan-muslim-terrorism-white-british

Just a small selection

Yes, nice unbiased, not at all leftist, links there nota from the Graun & New statesman.

The number of appauling mrders by Muslims, 5% of the pop', blowing up children at a pop' concert & stabbing innocent ppl on a night out in the name of their violent, hateful religious ideology adds up to the same thing as lone murdering nut job in the US. A predominatly white country of 450 million people? Gottcha

A few days into the Month of Ramadan.
Number of deaths caused by Islamic terrorists: 600
Number of deaths caused by adherents of all other religions (in the name of their religion) combined: 0

Sinking in yet? Nah course not.... Nothing to see here...The KKK are the problem clearly...

Is a murder because of a misguided religious motive worse then a murder because of racism or misogyny?

Just because your not directly affected by KKK, far right, white supremacists whatever you want to call them does not mean they are any less of a threat. I mean as a white person also a muslim convert I am revolted by the naivety of white folk and also the atrocities carried out in the name of my religion but there is a difference between ignorant and racist in which I think alot of the posters referring to you as the latter is unfair. We have our media to blame for the ignorance in western countries as unless you read international news your non the wiser. Cut the OP some slack, educate dont belittle.

Can I also clarify ISIS are NOT muslims. They are killing muslims in the holy month of ramadan while us real muslims are fasting for 17hours and giving to charity.

Cracked, are you actually reading what people are posting?
Because you are attributing opinions and arguments to us that we have not posted.
Are you doing it deliberately, or do you just have poor comprehension skills?

Perhaps this link from the telegraph will suit you better.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8662030/Norway-shooting-victims-the-77-dead-in-pictures.html