To think the KKK do not pose the same threat as radicalised Islamists?

[Helendee]

What it says above really. I make no excuses for the KKK, they are obviously racist, supremacist and have the blood of many innocent people on their hands but do they really compare with the current threat? I have been told that they do.

That was to the Op

So many GF in the last few days! Reporting OP for inflammatory GFing

Livia what is racist?

The idea that someone can mention the KKK and think that it has "nothing to do with race" is so absurd that it is unbelievable. Either the OP is very very ignorant or they have an agenda that didn't pan out very well as they don't seem to have made any points other than to flounce?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alt-right-rally-counter-protestors-joey-gibson-donald-trump-portland-oregon-a7772801.html

so OP, I realise you were only asking and all that

but at first glance it looked really disrespectful, like KKK are just topic to bandy around in light chat? I hope you understand that?

Well, let's see, OP, did you ever hear of a man called Hitler who had extremist views about racial purity and started out with small numbers of like-minded followers and everyone laughed and dismissed him and his views as crazy? Then somehow he got himself and some of his followers into actual positions of government power then started to implement his crazy ideas as actual policy. It all ended up rather badly as I recall but of course it could never happen these days...

I think people should try telling Jo Cox's tiny children that a white British woman has nothing to fear from far right white supremacists.

You may mean nothing racist. But you are being. And that's understandable because people don't like to admit that being white and brought up in privileged white countries tends to make us racist. We might not mean to be, we might think racism is abhorrent, but you can't see the water when your swimming under it.

It's the same as people that don't see that the children being killed in Syria, Yemen, Pakistan are as important as our children. The same people that look at police violence in the US and think, "well, more black people commit crimes, right...".

Start from a position that as a white person you probably have some learned racism, try to examine it, don't flounce when people tell you about it and stay feeling uncomfortable and a bit guilty because running away from those feelings ends up with Trump in power.

You wanted genuine debate over what exactly? Which of these groups committing atrocities against other groups is most risk to you? Every single country in the world has people who are willing to murder and maim others for some loosely justified cause every single day. Our issues with ISIS in the west are a drop in the ocean, and our news sources tend not to report on attacks going on in non western countries. Everyone seems to have forgotten Boko Haram, buddhists murdering muslims in Burma, the 800,000 people murdered in the genocide in Rwanda in the 90s to name just a few - because it doesn't affect them. It has been going on since the dawn of man, it is just that now the news is constantly accessible via social media and it makes it seem like a new thing, it isn't. Humans are the most murderous disgusting amoral animals on the planet and always have been, it just wasn't as in your face in the recent past.

To suggest the KKK, who are a far more established and wide reaching group than ISIS and have members in positions of considerable power and influence, are somehow a 'lesser' threat than ISIS does smack of racism, because who cares if they lynch a few more blacks right? As long as you aren't being targeted we should just ignore them? This thread must have been started purely to goad because surely you aren't so dense as to understand that all atrocities are terrible no matter who they affect.

White supremacists are responsible for 3/4 of the terrorism in the USA, so yes YABVU.
Trump has removed them from the list of terrorists, so is able to claim he has reduced terrorism.

How do you know that the OP is a white person?

What a dumb thread. OP you can't possibly be that naive of soul I hasten to add. Of course if you are white then KKK don't pose any threat to you. They're not after whites are they? can you really not see what a threat they are to black people and if you live within their vicinity, they're just as much a ticking time bomb as ISIS.

As for your comment on a large scale, Words completely fail me. So because the KKK killings/beatings are not on a large scale, they're not that much of a threat. Basically you're concerned about what might touch you, stuff all those black people getting killed.

There is a lot of internalised racism in the USA. There were not a few women of colour and POC who voted for the far right bastards in the White House.

Well, I reported the OP for inflammatory goadiness but actually reading that fantastic response from MrsTerryPrarchett it should probably be left to continue as OP and I'm sure many others could stand to learn something about learned racism

'Many others' not aimed at anyone in particular, I hasten to add

Setting aside my confusion about why this particular question is occupying your thoughts right now, I couldn't help but read your OP in the voice of Alf Garnet.

Cross posts with silkpyjamas. Well said.

bunsBump
How do you know that the OP is a white person?

That's true! she's definitely black, how did we not figure.

Er, the USA has people of all colours and races, summer

Not being white doesn't mean they are black.

Many of my Hispanic friends in the USA are ardent Trump supporters. They are minorities but they aren't black.
And it isn't all about race in the USA - if you are poor and white you are trash to the Alt-Right. Which is very counter intuitive considering that the Alt-Right has its origins in poor white.

Really? This thread? Really? What IS happening the last few days?

Depends where you live and what race you are as others have said. If I was a non-white person living in a KKK stronghold in the US I'd feel more scared of being killed by the KKK than by Islamic terrorists as the threat is closer, and they (the kkk) seem to have been emboldened by Trump winning the election. It's all about perspective.

BunsBump Stop acting dumb. The KKK or whatever the hell they're called, exist to annihilate black people in particular. They may have roughened up some other minorities but it is blacks they hate the most.

I am not acting dumb.

The Alt-Right that are the new KKK are not solely focused on African Americans.

Timothy McVeigh.
Frank Roque.
Scott Roeder.
Jim Adkisson.
Paul Jennings Hill.

If we're talking pure numbers then yes, alt-right is a much more frightening proposition. More people, more money, more power. Great article here theintercept.com/2017/05/31/the-numbers-dont-lie-white-far-right-terrorists-pose-a-clear-danger-to-us-all/

Bunsbumpblur, I think you misunderstood my post. I wouldnt 'underestimate' the violence because it 'only' happens to poc.

The relevance of race to my post was not to minimise the impact of the KKK but to say I think its ridiculous to compare the two. Obviously the terror attacks are frightening, but the chances of me being personally impacted are small. Unlike if I was a woc in America warning my sons to behave in a very specific way with the police or a mum in Syria knowing theres a very real chance my children will be killed.

My point was the OPs question could only be true if seen through white priviledge