Can't just be me that thinks Corbyn nailed it.

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I am so happy he mentioned the Saudi connection and the 'sensitive report'

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-speech-live-watch-10560047.amp

I get accused of having some sort of crystal ball mentality, and yet those who feel Corbyn must be stopped and that the country is going to be dragged backwards rather than forwards are not. The seventies comparisons are pointless, we're not going back there, times are different, people are different.

Thank God someone remembers accurately! Few young people got near a university in the 70s! The railways were utter rubbish. There was no chance of getting a council house and the unions called strikes all the time. We had candles at work! We designed and made rubbish cars and were seen as a lazy and truculent nation. Oh - and we were racist, anti-women, homophobic and anti-foreigner. Ok - so some things haven't changed!

But you didn't need to go to univrsity - because all the jobs that now require degrees didn't then. My dad trained to be a lawyer based just on O Levels - he didn't even need A Levels let alone a degree to be able to take his law exams.

And anyone could buy a house on one salary. So both parents didn't have no choice but to work.

Even in London, house prices were affordable. If you think you couldn't get council housing, you clearly have no idea how much worse it's got now!

But you didn't need to go to univrsity - because all the jobs that now require degrees didn't then. My dad trained to be a lawyer based just on O Levels - he didn't even need A Levels let alone a degree to be able to take his law exams

That is an extremely disengenous comment. A tiny number of solicitors qualify that way. It is still possible.

Anyone could buy a house on one salary??? Utter tosh! I am old enough to remember. Even in our boring town it took two of us. 3 times Jaeger salary plus 1 x the lower salary. No huge multiples and a 10% deposit. You had to save for that! For years!

You might get lucky and get taken on to be an articled clerk but believe me most new solicitors in the 70s had law degrees. The O level route took years and an employer willing to wait.

Larger salary....

Friend went for a council house and was told there was a 21 year wait in our area. Other areas close by had around 14year waits. She eventually found a 1 bed flat for her and her dd by moving into an even worse neighbourhood than we had grown up in. Bars at the windows and no going out after 4pm as it was too dangerous.

All this talk about how well off we were back in the 70s I can only assume you were very well off. Everyone I knew was living in poverty and going hungry and had a pile of bills that they had no way of paying.

Having spoken to friends in the past I do think there was definitely a north south divide even in the 70s. Or it could be I just grew up in a particularly grim northern town

The cold was pretty bad. The way there would be ice on the inside of the glass when you woke in the morning.

That's because fewer people had central heating than they do now, Olivers.

Or is Corbyn going to take us back to the Ice Age now?

Yeah, i remember ice inside the windows.That's because people didnt have central heating yet. That's got fuck all to do with anything!

As dawndonna says- different times! It's not as if voting labour will suddenly propel us back to the black and white minstrel show!

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Wow....Momentum invades Mumsnet. Enjoy it for the next 48 hours people. By Friday you'll be a footnote in history (and nit a very interesting one at that) and the Labour Party will eventually return to being a credible opposition.

Anyone could buy a house on one salary??? Utter tosh! I am old enough to remember. Even in our boring town it took two of us. 3 times Jaeger salary plus 1 x the lower salary. No huge multiples and a 10% deposit. You had to save for that! For years!

I bought my first property on my own on a 2 and half times salary mortgage in 1982. I was in the second year of my traineeship as a solicitor. Loads of single people did.

Oh sorry , you were talking about the 70s.

It's interesting how momentum spammers seem to insult the intelligence of women in exactly the same tone as 70s union officials used to.

Just the assumption you can say any old disingenuous shit and as long as it sounds bad superficially it'll be right under the radar of the mums.

Newsflash momentum persons: there are quite a lot of people on MN who can detect a teenager talking shit better than a police dog can smell drugs.

By Friday you'll be a footnote in history

If there's a clear Tory majority, I certainly will be anyway. British history, that is. I'm not planning to stick around indefinitely while we all become bit part players in some kind of John Wyndham-style isolationist dystopia.

Why don't you try it. Turn your electric off at the mains and sit in your house in the dark. No hot water no heating and no lighting virtually every night if you miss it so badly

Under the Tories now, with our current system, we see plenty of this happening. People forced to choose between a fiver on the stick (bunged with higher rates for some reason - yes those who can afford it least paying more) and food for the children. We see it everyday, everywhere. Under the Tories today.

We see rates for trains and utilities going up and up and up - when fuel is really at historic lows. Under the Tories.

Under the Tories we have many sneaky things like this that bugger the poor two ways to Christmas.

Under the Tories we have food banks now - while supermarkets poor bleach on their throw out food to keep hungry people from pulling it out of the bin. Under the Tories.

All these things are happening, not in the 70s, but right now.

Under the Tories.

there are quite a lot of people on MN who can detect a teenager talking shit better than a police dog can smell drugs.

I'll pass that on to my arthritic knees. They'll get a laugh at that.

Totally agree!! Despite media (including "impartial" BBC) lies, fake news & blackout he has managed to get his message out there. So many people realise what a genuine person he is when they actually listen to him or read the manifesto and understand that the fully costs policies make absolute sense for anyone who isn't a millionnaire despite the smear campaigns decelopes by those at the top (including media moguls like murdoch) with their offshore accounts, tax avoiding away who need a Tory Government to carry on robbing the taxes that should be being put into our public services. We need to keep talking and encouraging people to read the manifestos & see who is best for this country, you won't get this info through the media. Talk to teenagers, parents, Grandparents, there is so much at stake... not least the national treasure that is the NHS. Go Corbyn, we can do this!!!!!!

It isn't mad to propose the kinds of things Corbyn proposes - he is backed by a lost list of economists who prefer a Keynesian approach. The current austerity policies arent working for the economy.

Making sure big corporations pay their tax is also how Sweden pays for its public services and the country runs well (lived there for a while). Whether you agree or disagree with Corbyn's policies is about where you stand on economic redistribution (or justice, depending on your viewpoint). But he is not crazy.

I am also not a Momentum supporter - I am a swing voter considering SNP/Lab. What angers me is that Labour are making this about their opposition to the SNP, rather than forging a progressive alliance. They are even encouraging folks to back Conservatives tactically to keep the SNP out. To me, they have their political priorities wrong. I mean have you seen the queues out the door at food banks??? But I may vote Labour, as we will never get an SNP government in Westminster - still swithering.

I think he has nailed it.

Imo there is no other alternative than to vote Labour on June 8th.

As to JC voting against anti-terror legislation, well he has explained exactly why he did so and Theresa May and David Davis have also voted against various anti-terror legislation that they did not agree with -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40111329

His view on 'shoot to kill' were also explained but then misrepresented by the BBC -
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-trust-rules-laura-kuenssberg-misrepresented-jeremy-corbyn-a7533096.html

If you meant me as a teenage Momentum activist am 45 and not even a Labour party member

Yet

long list

Imo there is no other alternative than to vote Labour on June 8th.

Well many other people think differently.

And many don't