Can't just be me that thinks Corbyn nailed it.

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I am so happy he mentioned the Saudi connection and the 'sensitive report'

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-speech-live-watch-10560047.amp

I was pretty impressed. Long term Labour member but hadn't been at all convinced of his leadership qualities before and was thinking of defecting to SNP. Still worry about his ability to work with his MPs, but I read the manifesto and think...yeah. I'll get behind that. I wanted my party to rediscover what its for.

No he hasn't.

Because:

• Tories are less likely to respond to polls, therefore nearly always underestimated
• Youth turnout will be lower than hoped
• It 'feels' as if JC has 'won' on social media & MN, but this is because there is a huge left wing bias

and

• every time a labour person calls TM a cnt or btch a floating voter is offended and decides to vote Tory instead.

Simples. Fact. End of. (and other puerile attempts to prove that my argument is valid)

JC seems like a really nice down to earth person. I believe that he does stand a good chance of winning.

I also believe that his socialist policies will be a disaster. My parents think the same and are buying Dollars and Euros as they expect the pound to fall if he wins

Kursk - I sort of agree with you. I think he has good intentions, but not sure I could call him 'nice'.
The problem is that he is an idealist with absolutely no experience of organising or running anything in government. I know that this is part of his appeal as the 'anti-establishment voice' but in reality it would be an absolute disaster.
He's a bit like Trump in that regard - a populist choice, but a disaster in professional terms. Like it or not, a party leader and Prime Minister needs to know how to navigate the corridors of power, how to build cross-party support & neutralise dissent, act with strength and diplomacy on the world stage and have the drive and energy to get things done (even if they aren't always a universally popular choice). Corbyn has none of those skills, and I really believe that under a Labour government the economic health of this country would rapidly decline. At best, it would be a five year term in which nothing happened. Stalemate mostly, as the PLP continued to infight and refused to support his policies.

IF (and it's a BIG if) JC DOES win, then I hope he quickly does the decent thing and steps aside to hand the reigns over to Keir Starmer, who is a much more admirable politician...

I think it would be a bit like the Brexit result if Labour get a majority. A huge shock, two fingers up at the establishment but, ultimately leaving the country fucked.

The Naze - Yup, I agree.

It's really sad that so many people thinking of voting for Corbyn weren't around to see the mess socialism created in the 1970s. I'm old enough to remember the government being held to ransom by the trade unions, rubbish piling up in the streets and rats running around, corpses piling up in factories because gravediggers were on strike and so on.
My grandmother was unlucky enough to have a stroke and died in an open army jeep in sub-zero temperatures as they tried to get her to hospital - because the ambulance drivers were on strike.

If people think life today is bad perhaps check out what it was like in the late 70s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

Please, people, be careful what you wish for...

He's right. I shall be voting labour.

Explain the relevance of the Winter of Discontent (of nearly 40 years ago) to me.

It seems more likely that we are heading to a similar set of awful circumstances under the Tories with their terrible Brexit and pay freeze for nurses, police and other public sector workers.

talk about naive etc.

I am no TM fan, but JC has voted AGAINST, every single anti -terrorist bill since he has been an MP. He thiks we should all go and talk nicely to them.

He was, until yesterday vocally against any shoot to kill policy for the police in terroist situations, well, as the terrorists on London Bridge were shot by the police under the shoot to kill policy, I am pretty glad TM won that particular vote, otherwise the weekends death toll would be even higher.

I agree with Jng and Naze, I lived through 1970s Britain, and I lived through Margaret Thatcher, and was working in the East End seeing the disaster that was her government doing, and then I loved through labour bankrupting the country.

Idealism has its place, but in the end all politicians have pros and cons. For my the cons for JC far far out weigh the pros.

I lived through all those things, including living in the East End in the 1970s and 1980s.

It's true that unions held enormous power then - they haven't since the era of Thatcher and Joseph.

For me the pros of JC far outweight the cons. I honestly can't see any pros for TM. The lowest point for me was her telling a nurse who hadn't had a pay rise for 8 years 'tough'.

The only thing she has been right about is how pivotal this election is, but not for the reasons that she intended.

I wish people would do some basic fact checking before posting. JC was against shoot to kill as a standard response but in paris as well as the uk he stated the police should use any force neccessary to stop the attack. There was a global financial crisis it wasn't labour bankrupting the country. So many threads on here spouting absolute bollocks the right wing newspapers have told them.

I have no patience with TM and see her as weak but Corbyn is a protest vote pure and simple.

To elect for Dianne Abbott to be home sec after her recent behViour would be reckless in the extreme. She was drunk or medicated on sky news last night.

It's like Brexit be careful what you wish for people.

When JC wreaks the economy by his crazy spending there will be no cash left for anything.

Hope against hope there's a victory for the tories but with a smaller majority to ensure consensus with other parties and hopefully labour are decimated, although lots of good labour back benches would be sacrificed, but it will be worth it when Corbyn fucks off back to momentum and an electable labour emerges I hope under Yvette Cooper.

Oh yes we all are brainwashed by the right wing press as we don't see the dear leader Corbyn as the second coming snd wank ourselves off over his image.

Do grow up.

bit sneaky to make digs at someone for being "medicated" if they are unwell?

Wonder why people think Tories are the "nasty" party

Gretchen - the relevance of the winter of discontent is that under Labour we could see a massive rise in the power of trade unions again, and the potential for many of our essential services to be stalled due to undemocratic strike action.

I think it's right that workers should be protected to some extent by a trade union, but not that trade unions can force workers out on strike if they don't want to/can't afford to.

Labour's manifesto has committed to repealing the Trade Union Act which was set up to protect people from undemocratic industrial action. The Act currently requires that strike ballots will have to achieve at least a 50% turnout of eligible union members, with a majority voting in favour of strike action.
LABOUR WANT TO SCRAP THAT - so once again we will be held hostage by the trade unions who will be able to force strike action on a minority vote.

The other downside of stronger trade union power is the upward pressure on wages which always leads to inflation.
We've been fortunate to have relatively low inflation over the last few years, but that could change rapidly and ironically, the lower paid suffer from inflation disproportionately, as more of their income is spent on food/ energy (where inflationary effects are often mostly keenly felt) and they are least likely to have savings to benefit from higher interest rates.

right - because I disagree with you, and don't like JC I am brainwashed by the right wing press.

Okaaaaay.

I love JC manifesto. So many amazing promises and the ideal society. Its fabulous.

But there is nothing in there at all to show how it will be paid for. It is an idealist peice of meaningliess paper. He won't be able to do most of it, because he has no money.

I cannot bring myself to vote for someone who does understand that you can't spend money you don't have.
It is easy to promise the moon as long as you don't win, if he does win then he wil lhave tyo explain why the moon is a little harder to give.

Yes - it's the elephant in the room which is why most politicans won't address it.

I long for the day we have alternative energy resources so the West no longer kowtows to this appalling, cruel, non- democratic regime. If they didn't have oil they are the sort of state we would boycott for their atrocious human rights.

If we reach the point where the West doesn't need oil the whole world order would change in a blink (one of many reasons why Trump is so crazy to turn away from the drive to find alternative fuels.)

I think Corbyn is right to bring up the Saudi connection.

monkey

I have been 'unwell' on a few occasions and it involves slurring and incoherent responses.

I have been ill and have been able to do my job and speak coherently without slurring and have an early night.

It's hardly nasty to expect the shadow home sec to be across her brief on the most basic of questions when we are having men women and children murdered by terrorists on a regular basis.

Fucking hell.

I know the most recent labour converts see the dear leader as beyond criticism but didn't realise it extended to the whole shadow cabinet.

Who knew

The Labour Manifesto is fully costed. You might disagree with it, but the costings are there.

The Conservative one doesn't have any. At all.

Well the actual prime minister isn't

silkybear - I don't read the right wing press, but I do read the Economist - does that count?

Whilst Labour didn't solely cause the financial crash, it happened at the end of a decade of Labour rule under Blair/Brown and Blair is on record admitting that the Labour government was partly responsible for it. What they had failed to grasp was how inextricably linked we'd become to the global financial economy, and they had deregulated to such an extent that we weren't protected from the crash when it came. Labour also oversaw and allowed banks to create huge sums of new money and create debts which ultimately were unpayable.

I've just seen a tweet from Guido Fawkes with a link to Order Order.com. It's an article showing Corbyn attending an anti Israeli rally in 2002 and sharing a stage with members of Hezbollah. (I'm sorry I don't know his to share llinks.) That is utterly vile. He is not fit to run this country.

I've just seen a photo of Theresa May cosying up to the Saudis. Recently

Do you have any idea who Hezbollah are? I actually don't think you do. And you clearly are fine with a PM who is clearly an anti-Semite?