Can't just be me that thinks Corbyn nailed it.

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I am so happy he mentioned the Saudi connection and the 'sensitive report'

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-speech-live-watch-10560047.amp

How come we are not considering that the national railways in Germany and the Netherlands are cheap and super efficient whereas in the UK the privatised UK railway system (in which German and Dutch companies have big stakes) is not.The profits they make (out of the UK) go elsewhere. Do we really not think the UK can run the railways?

Yes. Nailed it.
May is doing arms deals with Saudi, who fund Islam fundamentals in the UK, that leads the murder of innocent kids and adults.

I can't stand JC but the Saudi connection needs pointing out again and again. Sadly, as money matters more than anything to all governments the UK will continue to be Saudi suck-ups.

Can we stop going "oh but the 1970s"? It reminds me of people saying the railways shouldn't be re nationalized "because the sandwiches".
Times have moved on! It's 2017! The unions are like neutered kittens. In fact, don't even bother joining one, because there's nowt they can do for you. I can't see that changing much.
And as for the railways, our government had them sold off to be largely run by foreign companies, and continues to subsidise them! We may as well own what we subsidise!
East Coast were much better when they were government run, albeit briefly, and the staff seemed to agree. You could even get a panini and a latte on the train!

Unless you lived through the 1970s you couldn't imagine how awful it was.

Oh stop it already. Next we'll be hearing again about how the bodies were piled up in the streets, bla ba bla. (They weren't.)

I lived through the 70s and as christina says social inequality was but a twinkle in Margaret Thatcher's eye compared with the hulking great thing it is today. It was the 80s and 90s that put Britain on the path to being the venal society it is now - the selling off of local authority housing stock, 'care in the community' hahahaha, the beginning of the rolling back of the welfare safety net, the decimation of British industry, deregulation of the financial sector and the lionisation of personal wealth. I could go on all day. Put it all at Thatcher's door. And even she was nowhere near as right-wing as the self-interested cunts in power now.

Everything that is better about life now than it was then is to do with global social trends that modern Conservatives are legislating against not in harmony with.

The 70s WERE grim, and no, the bodies WEREN'T piled in the streets like the rubbish: i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01390/winter-of-disconte_1390846b.jpg

but they were stored in factories: i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03461/coffins_3461549b.jpg

IfNot "The unions are like neutered kittens." - that may be true today, but Labour's manifesto commits to repealing the Trade Union Act which protects people from undemocratic industrial action, so don't kid yourself that the unions couldn't rise to a powerful position again. Let's not forget they are Corbyns friends and cronies...

good I hope the unions do rise again

I was born in 1970 - I remember the 70'a ...and the 80's under Thatcher

Around 300 bodies were stored in a mortuary during a 2-week-long strike of cemetery workers in Liverpool, which was resolved with a pay rise ffs.

Decontextualised photos are rarely a good source of objective evidence.

Well, if you want to go back to an era when people who wanted to go to work were bullied and spat on, then good for you...my uncle was a coal miner in NE England and had to endure this in the 70s...

"Decontextualised photos are rarely a good source of objective evidence."

Ah, you mean like the one of Theresa May supposedly commenting on lesbianism which is currently doing the rounds but for which there is no evidence/source!
www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/theres-no-evidence-theresa-may-actually-said-this-quote?utm_term=.wxVMo5VdY#.hs1prMYKZ

Photos without a source are rarely a good source of objective evidence...

I was born in 1958. I was brought up in London. I lived through the seventies. It wasn't as bad as some seem to think and it's unlikely to return. It's a pointless comparison, things have changed and will continue to do so.

I was brought up in London. I lived through the seventies. It wasn't as bad as some seem to think
Perhaps it depends where you grew up? I grew up in the North East and it was DIRE - whole communities ripped apart by strikes. Never recovered.

And it's unlikely to return. Can I have a look in your crystal ball too - I'd like to see?

It's a pointless comparison, things have changed and will continue to do so. Except that it's not, because we now have the most socialist potential Labour prime minister for 50 years... JC's politics are very much those of the socialist 70s.

It's more likely that there will be strikes now as the Tories screw people over

Well, what can workers do to try and ensure they are not treated like serfs? I mean, you can't take your employer to a tribunal anymore (no legal aid). Wages are not going up, contracts are fixed term or zero hours. Lone parents can't take up a lot of retail work as the hours are so random. Worker and customer safety is compromised (see Tube workers strike) and massive corporations seem to run most things, with no recourse for workers to actually being able to influence the things that happen to them.
The reason we have any sort of reasonable conditions at work is down to unions.
I don't want loads of strikes and inconvenience, but I supported the junior doctors, for example, as what was proposed was going to endanger patients.
Also, I think the Tories will use Brexit as an opportunity to erode the rights we have struggled to achieve.

Ah, you mean like the one of Theresa May supposedly commenting on lesbianism which is currently doing the rounds but for which there is no evidence/source!

No, Jng, I meant like the two you posted. The one you have referenced has obviously had a caption added which may or may not be an accurate contemporaneous quote. Only an idiot would take it as evidence of anything.

Mind you, that photo of the young Theresa May is enough to cure me of any latent lesbianism I may have been harbouring, so perhaps there is something to it after all.

Yes, Corbyn is lovely, honest, thoughtful, compassionate etc etc. But he's the figurehead, he's supposed to be presented like that. It's the hard-line left wingers who back him that you need to worry about. Ive seen the way Corbyns supporters treat those who disagree with them. Can you imagine what a great place this country will be to live in once that sort of behaviour becomes state-sanctioned?

It's the hard-line left wingers who back him that you need to worry about

Like the massive anti semitic poster that was put up in Bristol West.

i lived through the 70s and it wasn't as bad as some people think

You must have been well off then because so did I and it was appalling.

The strikes, inflation, racism and sexism was horrendous and the strikes crippling.

Never ever again and that's why Corbyn needs stopping

I was born in 1970 and lived in a very industrialised town of the Black Country. Thatcher decimated the heavy industries there and it has never recovered. It is a Ghost town. I remember hearing the sirens wail at 4.30pm and being unable to move down roads as the works emptied. What she and the Tories did/have done is absolutely scandalous, and the thought of them getting in for another term fills me with me dread. We need the likes of Corbyn to actually value workers again.

And lets face it, we should judge the Tories on their record as May says - and its shocking. Time for a change.

Not this change though, why do we need costly renationalisation when we could deprioritize that and focus on the core things, NHS, disability benefits, primary and secondary education and the future affordability of pensions and the NHS?

I'm wavering between thinking that thanks to Brexit whoever gets in will be out in 5 years, so everything can be unpicked and thinking that no, Corbyn and his team will be accelerating us in the wrong direction fast enough to cause economic trouble.

Putting corporation tax back to 26p in 3 years to reach peak exactly as Brexit really hits is a boneheaded idea. Disastrous.

Corporation taxes perhaps shouldn't have been cut this much, but they shouldn't be reintroduced this fast and with Brexit looming.

.Nolottery win agree

It's true that racism and sexism were commonplace in the 70s. I don't think that can reasonably be blamed on the Labour Party, though. Anyone who thinks it can probably needs to be told to calm down, dear.

you must have been well off then because so did I and it was appalling

I was in my mid to late teens in the 70s. We were not well off, my father was disabled and my mother was his carer. Life was shit at times but that was because we were poor (especially under a Tory government) but it was nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Incidentally racism and sexism cannot be laid at Labour's door as they were far more progressive in that regard than the Tories.

Mrslupo (do you have a Lupo? My favourite small car)

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i lived through the 70s and it wasn't as bad as some people think

Agree entirely. The 70s were pretty good, 3 day weeks or not.

And the statistics agree with.

The 70s were the high watershed for social mobility, for reduction in inequality, the decade of affordable housing, free university education for those who wanted it and a job for life with a gold-plated pension for those who wanted to go straight to work.

And great pop music.

I'd go back to those days like a shot.

The only downside was the crap sexism, racism and homophobia. In that way at least, our lives have improved.

But don't think anyone on the left is planning a return to Jim Davidson or the Black and White Minstrels Show, so we'll probably be ok there. :)

They were sold off because they made Southern Rail look like a first class service

The chief complaint was soggy sandwiches.

I would have settled for soggy sandwiches my issue was as a 16 year old I regularly commuted down to London on a Friday night. This was in the age of no mobile phones and people having to wait to get a landline.

On more than one occasion the train would stop at different stations en route and the driver would walk out. I was always a tough nut but I would get pretty scared to be stuck at places like Stoke station at 10.30pm not being able to contact the person I was meeting at Euston. Once asked a coach driver to give me a lift as he was going home back to London. Arrived at Victoria coach station at gone midnight. Pretty dangerous when I think back but I was left with no othner choice.

i lived through the 70s and it wasn't as bad as some people think

Agree entirely. The 70s were pretty good, 3 day weeks or not.

And the statistics agree with.

*The 70s were the high watershed for social mobility, for reduction in inequality, the decade of affordable housing, free university education for those who wanted it and a job for life with a gold-plated pension for those who wanted to go straight to work.

And great pop music.

I'd go back to those days like a shot*

Why don't you try it. Turn your electric off at the mains and sit in your house in the dark. No hot water no heating and no lighting virtually every night if you miss it so badly