To ask for a summary on the Tory v Labour stance on what to do about terrorism?

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This is looking like being the most critical issue of our times at the moment despite my thoughts that Brexit was the crux of this election.

Can anyone cut through the waffle and tell us what the 2 main parties are offering to do about extremists and terrorism?

aha waitforitdear we feel very similarly

I am voting Lib Dem who are also a shower of useless but at least seem quite fair minded. I am assuming they will not get into power so am glossing over the silly idea of a second referendum

It's interesting what's happening at the moment, isn't it?

As soon as political discussion touches on economics, the right start spouting about the 'magic money tree' and 'unicorns'. As soon as political discussion touches on leadership, the right start spouting about 'superior moral beings' and 'personality cults'.

Almost as if they have no sensible points to make.

'As soon as political discussion touches on economics, the right start spouting about the 'magic money tree' and 'unicorns'. As soon as political discussion touches on leadership, the right start spouting about 'superior moral beings' and 'personality cults'

Well vice versa really. The arguments and slanging matches go both ways.

Don't know if this has been discussed yet, Jeremy Corbyn re someone openly showing admiration for ISIS & beheadings by knife.

He was concerned about their civil liberties as showing support is not in itself a crime.

Is he right?

Is it simply a political view?

Jeremy Corbyn (2014) parliamentary debate:

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmhansrd/cm141215/debtext/141215-0004.htm

Steve Baker (Wycombe) (Con): That is a humbling thing. It is, however, a lamentable fact that my constituent Omar Hussain appeared on the BBC to express considerable support for ISIS. Does the hon. Gentleman accept that such people need to be subject to special measures when they return to the United Kingdom?
Jeremy Corbyn: I have no support for ISIS whatsoever, and obviously that should apply to someone who has committed crimes, but we should bear in mind that expressing a political point of view is not in itself an offence. The commission of a criminal act is clearly a different matter, but expressing a point of view, even an unpalatable one, is sometimes quite important in a democracy. We should be slightly cautious about announcing that we will start to deal with people on the basis of a general view that they have expressed. We should think seriously about where our foreign policy has brought us, and what our legislative position now is.
Steve Baker: I am very much inclined to agree with what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but the problem is that this particular individual expressed support for beheadings with a knife. I feel that the practical realities mean that we must take special measures in the case of such people.
Jeremy Corbyn: I would want that person to have some kind of treatment, or I would want measures of some kind to be taken, but expressing support for something and doing it are two rather different things.

'I have no support for ISIS whatsoever'.

Is that the point that you're trying to make?

Neither main political parties will do anything. They are pro the globalist project which means open borders and inevitably more terrorism.

Jeremy Corbyn: I have no support for ISIS whatsoever, and obviously that should apply to someone who has committed crimes, but we should bear in mind that expressing a political point of view is not in itself an offence. The commission of a criminal act is clearly a different matter, but expressing a point of view, even an unpalatable one, is sometimes quite important in a democracy. We should be slightly cautious about announcing that we will start to deal with people on the basis of a general view that they have expressed. We should think seriously about where our foreign policy has brought us, and what our legislative position now is.

Couldnt agree more

I'm not trying to make any point Christina.

I would have been inclined to agree with no crime committed in 2014, but today my view is different.

I didn't selectively quote - hence the 'no support for ISIS whatsoever' etc being there.

Don't try and create a 'Corbyn slur' where there isn't one.

Tory - put more money & resources into security services, take action including through internet

May as home sec cut and cut again police and security services so why U turn?

As for the internet, I would expect the PM and her advisers to know it's the world wide web not the internet that she wants to limit.

Not sure Corbyn really needs anyone to slur him. He seems to and seems to have done, a very good job of that himself.

I know bruffian

I worry as yes many of us saw Blaire as the second coming and he did make labour electable and sensible.

However Corbyn is so far left that hid most ardent fans are the unpleasant shouty types just like UKIP supporters for the far right.

I fear the fallout when labour looses and the hate and vitriol to those in the middle ground increases.

I just wish people would see other people for what they are a mixture of good and bad weak and strong.

Some seem to think Corbyn is some higher moral being whatever he says and does and that's very worrying in a democracy.

Some seem to think Corbyn is some higher moral being That's an utterly terrifying thought, more like

Well yes crack that's true I have to agree with you it is scsry. I hope labour survives him as we need a strong opposition especially in these terrible times.

I see JC is calling on TM to resign over the security issue, blaming her stewardship at the Home Office, cutting police numbers etc.

My question is, if JC becomes PM and fulfils his manifesto promise of extra police, money, etc. what will the outcome be when the next terror attack happens?

Will he resign? He doesn't have a good track record on requests to resign from his own side, does he?

Ah, we're on to the 'higher moral being' distraction again.

Yes why on earth would she resign on Monday when on Thursday she is being judged by the whole country. It's an idiotic thing to suggest.

Will Corbyn resign if labour are decimated at the election? If indeed they are.

Will be interesting to see.

He didn't 'suggest' it. He was directly asked by a journo if he supported the many calls for TM to resign given her history at the HO and as PM and said that he did, and that perhaps the election on Thursday is the best opportunity to deal with the issue.

I think Tory Steve Hilton was the first to suggest that she should resign actually.

But you clearly think he is christina

He has jettisoned his long held beliefs on CND and shoot to kill policies and that's completely fine as he wants to win the election so he's doing what all politicians do.

That's not really a higher moral stance is it so stop telling us all he has kept his long held core beliefs. He hasn't or if he has he's lying to win. No issues with that they all do it so he's just a career politician like the rest of them. No different.

So he did sgree she should resign?

She's a total idiot but doing that would be pretty silly. Corbyn has said he won't resign if labour looses and that's pretty silly too. If May lost she would be out quicker than the tide. Quite right too. Unfortunately the cult status surrounding Corbyn seem to have persuaded him he's got a God given right to be leader even if the voters find him unelectable.

"He has jettisoned his long held beliefs on CND and shoot to kill policies and that's completely fine as he wants to win the election so he's doing what all politicians do."

Has he? If you're talking about Trident, he has said that he is still not in favour if it but he is going with the wishes of the majority of his party. A bit like Tim Farron on gay marriage and Theresa May on Brexit.

Absolutley Bertrand he's doing what career politicians do. He saying what needs to be said to get elected.

So he's just like all the others and the cult hero worship that surrounds him like he's some moral voice of authority and someone who tells the truth and sticks to his principals is now utterly ridiculous.

We agree about him.

The thought of Diane Abbott being in charge of anything, let alone our national security, is terrifying. A more hypocritical, ignorant and generally stupid woman I would struggle to find. As for JC, he's an apologist for the IRA and an anti-semite, whose comments on terrorism in the past have been utterly weak and lacking in substance.

Theresa May though has a lot to answer for. As Home Sec from 2010-2016 and PM since then she has had more than enough time to prove herself as a serious adversary to terrorism - and she has failed in this regard quite spectacularly.

Quite honestly, I think they're both ineffectual and not up to the job.

waitforitfdear Indeed we do need an effective opposition, I agree 100% As a lifelong (well, up till about 15 yrs ago) Labour Supporter it pains me to see what's happened to the party and even more that I'm going to have to vote Tory on Thurs...

Hear hear juneau