To think Teresa May has just won the election?

[desertmum]

Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

i think the tories will win

But they won't win on the back if this speech

There's no wriggling out of her doing a rubbish job of home secretary and then her ridiculous cuts leading to blood directly all over her hands

All those cuts yet tories have near on trebled the national debt in record time

anyone with a brain can see through the weak and wobbly (and pathetic, incapable) party

I give up. No-one (including TM) is able to tell me why next Friday will be different to last month.

Corbyn told Labour's National Executive Committee "any kind of shoot-to-kill policy" posed "clear dangers to us all" and said terrorism should not be used to undermine freedom and legal protection.
He added: "But of course I support the use of whatever proportionate and strictly necessary force is required to save life in response to attacks of the kind we saw in Paris."

From your link Bythesea

gillybeanz are you actually serious? 3 men on the scEne with fake bombs stuck on them having been seen by hundreds of people slashing peoples throats on a Saturday night out, and you quibble about the word "suspect"?

When she says that enough is enough, I would hope she means that she will properly fund our police, fire and ambulance services and pay NHS staff a living wage so they can deal with incidents like this more efficiently.

I fear what she actually means she will simply bring in more powers that will allow the state to interfere with people's privacy.

The last time this happened, terror laws were brought in that are routinely used against journalists to stop them from reporting from public places and from having private email and phone conversations with legitimate sources for stories that may be damaging to public authorities.

I'll eat my hat if she doesn't start mentioning Whatsapp within 48 hours, as if Whatsapp is responsible for terrorism on British soil.

I suspect JC on his record would want to invite them all round for a cuppa and a chat.

Stop whining about cuts. MI5 has recruited massively lately. You could put a million police on the streets and last night's attack would still happen somewhere.

Have a grown up argument please about the seeds of terrorism, not predictable comments about reduction in police numbers.

Numbers and money are not everything. Efficiency and intelligence are the key.

But, I bet you that most of the news watchers, who don't know about police, NHS, disability, find her quite convincing.

Fanny the second part of that statement only AFTER colleagues pulled him up on what he had said

Areyoulocal

Yes I am well aware of that has been mentioned on here and Twitter many times

And what influence on national and international politics could this local Tory councillor have excatly?

What has the shadow Home Secretary said today?

She's had to make two similar speeches in the last 3 months so I suppose she has got better with practice.

What has she done since the Westminster attack, which was very similar, on 22 March to make us believe that she's serious? Apart from fly to sell arms to Saudi Arabia on 3rd April, call a snap general election on 18th April and wang on about Brexit?

What has the shadow Home Secretary said today?

We will have to wait for another hairstyle change before we hear anything of substance from her.

I don't agree with Corbyn's position on scrapping shoot to kill (if indeed he even thinks that) but he's not wrong in saying it isn't without risks. An innocent bystander during the attack last night was shot in the head during the police shoot out. It is a risk to us.

homebythesea

Of course I'm bothered our PM thinks suspects should be shot, aren't you? She is showing her true colours.

Yes, terrorists should be shot, that's not what she said.
I'm sure with her wonderful privileged education she knew exactly what she meant.

Really? I wasn't impressed with her speech at all
She was as vague and inarticulate as she usually is. It just sounded like electioneering to me.

no, I'm not.

Reading MN you'd swear a chunk of posters weren't even aware that the Tories have been the ones in power for years now!

This isn't a Hollywood film where at the last dramatic moment someone swoops in with a rousing speech and is then swept along to victory atop the shoulders of her grateful citizens.

She was always going to win the election, that hasn't really be in question. The question is by how small or large a margin. And no matter what happens, make no mistake that the Tories are already planning her demise.

No, not with me she hasn't. It's just empty words. She's spent years cutting back on the policing that protect us from these attacks, as well as all the other NHS and emergency services that always save lives and treat people after an attack does happen. I judge her on her actions, not her words.

That's from 2015, this is from 2017
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-trust-rules-laura-kuenssberg-misrepresented-jeremy-corbyn-a7533096.html

Stop all this rubbish about cuts to police numbers. May was HS not chancellor. She didn't choose the budget for her dept as HS. She was given a budget and had to make choices.

There is no bottomless pot of money no matter how much we all want it!

I'd rather have May and her team any day than JC and DA in circs like this. The prospect of having Diane A standing outside No 10 and making a speech after an incident like today is too terrible to contemplate.

I'm sure Theresa's record speaks for itself.

After six years as Home Secretary and one year as PM, nobody can claim greater credit for the police and security services.

And she managed to achieve that while downsizing the police by 20,000 thereby saving public funds and enabling tax cuts.

It is clear how right she was when she described police warnings as scaremongering.

She's firmed up plans to further cut public services and sell off the NHS.

She's ensured that increasing numbers of people don't have enough to live on, which fuels anger, bigotry and unrest.

She's been exposed as weak, unintelligent, arrogant, self-aggrandising and incompetent since she put herself in the electoral spot light.

Well said squoosh that's the most sensible post I've read all day

Gillybeanz so you think the men who were shot last night might have been innocent?