To think Teresa May has just won the election?

[desertmum]

Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

sorry no-three attacks in three months whilst she is pm

one speech wont save her

Too true keepcalm

I think she has burnt her bridges with police and nhs staff

keepcalm - not sure I follow: "the ones we have left" - what do you mean? resolving disillusion and hopelessness will not stop terrorists!

While ever she is happy to take Saud money and encourage Saud wahabist investment voting for her is just Turkey's voting for Christmas.

What she says bears no resemblance to her actions.

It's not a question of PCSO's it's a question of officers who can work in counter-terrorism units! The security services provide intelligence, but work with the police to deliver and secure properties, people, arrest them and so on! Who do you think goes to the houses of possible terrorists- Mi5 themselves.

Cressida Dick is reassuring a very scared population, and perhaps London is well enough resourced. The rest of the country isn't, if you speak to police officers outside London who are all going off with stress/feeling stretched to the limit and vulnerable as their stations/resources (yes, which occasionally house terrorists!) are cut.

Terrorism isn't a separate security force, you know, it's part of what the ordinary police forces do (obviously trained) in conjunction with security forces. Armed police officers are usually the first on the scene. And yes, they do need more eyes/ears in security as well.

I think she became head of the party to deal with Brexit - and brexit alone - NO_ONE ELSE WANTED THAT JOB!.

I think she will be elected PM on Thursday and then face a leadership challenge as soon as brexit is done.

The thing about terrorist attackts is that you dont know how many have been prevented, or stopped. We don't see those! So I could say well if Teresa had not have been pm there would have been a hundred attacks.

The same could be said of any recent administration. Again I ask, what superpower will be bestowed on her this week that she doesn't possess now? And if she can do something else, why hasn't she done it already?

Oh, and I think that was always going to be the case

DJ - there wasn't a lot in there of substance admittedly, but it was a speech that I think will possibly attract those who are apathetic voters to get up and vote for the conservatives because she used jargon they will like.
Making our country great again
Tackling the internet and social media providers
taking the fight to them
It was more of a rally cry in a way that I think a lot of peope in this country will respond to.
My question was do you think this speech will get her elected, not do you think IABU to vote for her . . . ..

@homebythesea remaining police officers. So many have left the service after she's changed and decimated it. The morale is at an all time low and yet she continues on as if nothing has happened.

8minutes it took them to shut that down last night because it's their job. Their JOB. And what thanks do they get from her?

She is a vile piece of work. I cannot begin to comprehend how people believe otherwise other than they haven't had first hand experience of emergency service or NHS working conditions.

"judge me on my record"
that'd be police cuts then

I like small c conservatives, they tend to be decent people with whom I disagree on economic policy. You can have a good chat with them, they tend to be well informed
I agree. An old Tory MP was one of those. Even though I'm centre left, I felt he was a nice guy who wanted similar outcomes as me but believed in different ways to do it.

What I can't stand is the new brand of Tory who are all in with business and press, slicing NHS and selling it to their mates, slashing public services, actively wind up hype and hate on immigration and court the opinion of the UKIP vote. Those types of conservatives are just nasty, ignorant, self serving individuals.

Saying what the people want to hear isn't enough . I judge by her actions . Those where she treats the police with contempt . Accuses them of scaremongering when they told her in 2015 of the consequences of her actions . Causing the number of firearms officers to drop by 1000 or so . 20,000 other officers gone. Majority looking to go , so experience is disappearing .

It's all very well saying they'll put more officers on the streets is all very well , but all it means is that they'll cancel rest days for people like me, and we'll end up working longer shifts . There won't be any greater actual numbers , we'll just be worked even harder .

@Foureyesarebetterthantwo It's not a question of PCSO's it's a question of officers who can work in counter-terrorism units! The security services provide intelligence, but work with the police to deliver and secure properties, people, arrest them and so on! Who do you think goes to the houses of possible terrorists- Mi5 themselves.

Are you having a laugh? Do you even remember the name of the officer fatally wounded at Westminster!!?

No? But I bet his family & colleagues do.

No it's the opposite in fact.

No way. She could have done more, sooner. She failed.

I admit her speech was good, but i will not be voting for her.

Disgusting she's trying to score cheap political points having said she wouldn't campaign.

Very disrespectful to those who died.

Would have lost my vote had she ever had it.

It's a very very thin blue line with the likes of Keith Palmer (may he rest in peace) at the forefront of it.

HE and those like him should NOT be forgotten nor his colleagues allowed to be treated with the disregard that May as both Home Secretary AND Prime Minister has done.

I need to step away from this thread right now.

Perhaps I'm wrong but surely a speech to reassure the nation and inform us all shouldn't be a bloody party political broadcast to push your own policies!

The speech she made wasn't for today, it was for Friday, for whoever wins the election.

It's all a bit too convenient for me. Election in 4 days, 3 terror attacks in 3 months and Mrs May starts telling people what she thinks they want to hear. Too little, too late.

Yes I really want to vote for that person who has been prime minister for 9 months yet has faced 3 terrorist attacks
I don't think you can say that 3 terrorist attacks make her a bad PM - last night's involved zero action by those responsible that could have come to the attention prior by either police or the security services. They didn't make bombs or go somewhere abroad for special training, they just picked up knives, got in a van and went to kill people. You can't police that until it's happened, and when it did happen it was swiftly & effectively dealt with. Unless you can put an armed police officer on every street corner you can't prevent the initial deaths from occurring. To stop things like that (which sadly will, through their simplicity, probably become more common) relies on the families & friends of these people stopping it & reporting them. I know there were potentially screw ups previously with reports being made and not acted on but that's down to the security services themselves, not the PM or the Home Secretary - their job is to put the resources in place etc, not actually monitor the individual reports. Hopefully that will have been rectified (though the sheer number of reports being made and people under review pretty much makes that an impossible task) but putting more bobbies on the beat isn't going to stop this sort of terrorism. Only intelligence can do that, and there is increasing spending on that.
I'm not saying any particular party would do best (though I'm not convinced that Corbyn or Abbott are up to the job - they don't fill me with confidence at all, particularly Abbott) but I think it's wrong to blame any politicians for individuals carrying out these attacks. These are people doing it because they don't like our way of life and our way of life isn't going to change.

Tackling the internet and social media providers

Do you know what she means by that? The Tories want a Chinese/North Korean style, State controlled Internet.

Keepcalm I'm not disparaging the work of PCSO's at all, I was responding to the question would having a few more PCSO's on the streets last night have prevented an attack. Unarmed PCSO's are very vulnerable. I'm trying to point out that terrorism prevention isn't just the preserve of shadowy security forces, and that cuts to police officers will and have affected how they respond to potential terrorism, plus if they are spending all their time responding to that threat, then other serious crimes get less attention.

Operation Temperer has proven to be an epic failure.

Oh for fuck's sake.