To think Teresa May has just won the election?

[desertmum]

Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

So true the80s.

Lass always nice when someone agrees with me, but I'll not let her off the hook in terms of the mess she's created. You don't negotiate by telling the world you're going to be difficult.

She knew EXACTLY what she wanted and was prepared to acknowledge a lot of things that the EU cares about, in order to get them

I never thought I'd stick up for Thatcher either! But she got the French on her side by agreeing to CAP, forget now what sop she gave the Germans. Negotiating is about helping others round the table to get what they want as well.

Someone started a thread about how are Labour going to pay for all their promises. Can't find it now, but a headline in today's Times,

Uber avoids £40m Vat bill, that would be a good start.

Someone started a thread about how are Labour going to pay for all their promises

Manifesto will tell you.

The Times head line is very very unfair to Uber. Uber drivers are self employed just like loads of it - me and my cleaner for a start. It would be wrong in law to say Uber drivers are employees so of course if they earn under the VAT threshold a driver does not charge VTA.

Do people really want their taxi bills to go up 20% in order to feed a large and bloated big state?

"wrong in law "

How so?

The question "employee or self-employed" crops up all the time.

What about the computer programmer who does relief shifts for Nat West?

I can certainly see it is to the benefit of Uber to avoid paying holiday pay, sick pay, pensions, minimum pay etc.

But does that make it true?

www.gov.uk/employment-status/worker

I think TM's behaviour towards the British people has been appalling.

Calling a snap election for less than two weeks before Brexit talks begin, then refusing to participate in debate, refusing to be interviewed or answer questions and not bothering to cost the Tory manifesto.

And entering into negotiations with her 'bloody difficult woman' bluster. As if the EU care. They'll manage very well without the UK.

The video of TM being ignored in Brussels actually made me cry a little, she looked exactly how I feel right now but I have just been bereaved, so feeling a bit lost and alone.

However, I have no time for May either; that EU shower are dreadful, and it was bloody inexcusably rude of them.

That's an interesting point.

If you have some complex, multilateral negotiations beginning shortly, is it worthwhile seeking co-operation and support, or should you create hostility and declare yourself to be an awkward person who doesn't need an agreement?

Which approach is more likely to invoke a friendly response?

We have been members of the EU for some 45 years. Its ethos is based on co-operation, consensus, and qualified majorities.

Hello Jux so sorry to hear your sadness, good of you to post.

And entering into negotiations with her 'bloody difficult woman' bluster.

Don't forget that she accused the EU of trying to interfere in our election. Gobsmacking.

What has struck me all along is her deluded fantasy that she's going to be a 'bloody difficult woman' with Merkel and the like, 'negotiating across the table' saying 'no deal is better than a bad deal'.

What does that even mean? No deal is a bad deal for the UK.

Juxtaposed with her refusal to participate in the leaders' debate ('JC should be thinking about Brexit'... well, we all would be if you hadn't called a snap election, TM), refusal to be interviewed, inability to answer basic questions and complete antipathy to the lived reality of most people in the UK.

The low points for me were the lady with a learning disability who, during some walk about, said, 'My money's been cut and I can't live on what I have, Mrs May', and May had nothing, nothing to say.

And her on QTime telling a nurse who hadn't had a pay rise for nearly 10 years that, 'There's no magic money tree'. She wasn't asking for that, just reasonable renumeration from public funds for her work.

More of us support May than not. We are lucky to have her. Let us see tomorrow who has won.

On Uber Piglet yes I have been following all the cases. At present in a case just involving 2 drivers which is being appealed a court said the drivers were workers (not by the way employees for tax purposes).

In my view Uber drivers are self employed for tax purposees but let us see if a court holds otherwise.

It is a massive benefit to citizens that taxis are 20% cheaper than they might be and a small state is a very good thing so the less revenue going to the state the better for everyone.

More of us support May than not. We are lucky to have her.

Speak for yourself please. I am not in your 'us'.

While you're here Mary, do you fancy explaining this statement of yours further - 'Voting Conservative means we can protect public services better.'?

More of us support May than not

Speak for yourself I've voted Labour and so has dd

I don't believe a nurse has not had a pay rise for 10 years. I really don't, no natural increases for length of service, literally NOTHING!

The lady who claimed she didn't have enough benefits. I think you will find that May said that a colleague would help her look into it. What was she meant to say? Hand out £50 notes immediately??

She didn't attend that silly debate where all the politicans were talking over each other and makes twits of themselves. So that means what?? She was right to stay away.

JC, DA and JM - is that really a dream team?

Less revenue going to the state the better for everyone

Am not living in your fantasy world either.

Thank heavens I live in high tax Netherlands (nationalised railway, high quality state education system, HR, worker, tenant protection etc etc etc

It is isn't about the size of the state but the values of the state.

I don't believe a nurse has not had a pay rise for 10 years. I really don't, no natural increases for length of service, literally NOTHING!

Iirc she went further than just 'no pay rise' - she said that her pay packet today was the same/less than in late 2000s.

Hillingdon, the public sector pay cap has meant that many public sector workers haven't had pay rises, and ongoing restructuring and the like has meant no increase in real terms for many workers.
Unless you're an MP of course, when you got a nice 1.4% this year (over £1000 per month gross).

Actually, May said something about 'looking into funding of mental health services' which wasn't necessarily that helpful to someone with a learning disability. She completely fobbed her off which, I grant you was probably better than the truth of, 'I coudn't care less...'

It was a leadership debate for an election that she called. She also refused to debate JC on Question Time on Friday. Why is it right that she avoided scrutiny of her manifesto and discussion with the opposition?

I am sorry, I work with the public sector and have got to know many of them over the years. There is no way that someone was say earning £20k 10 years ago and is still earning that today. They might not class it as a pay rise but you get increases for just being in the role for x number of years.

Do we also want to look at the final salary pension - something some of us can only dream about?

Increments are for increased experience and skills, they are NOT a pay rise.

They might not class it as a pay rise but you get increases for just being in the role for x number of year
Yeah cos it's not a pay rise.

Its a fib to say you have not had a pay rise when your wages have gone up by literally just staying in the role. This lady might be at the top of her pay grade, she might not choose to take a more responsible role for all sorts of reasons. So, actually what she is saying is she wants the increase for just being in the role and ALSO the pay rise!

I speak as someone who got 1% last year, no increase for just being in the role and being a year more experienced than last year and who is getting nothing this year due to the state of the company that I work for.

I have a choice though. I can leave but I choose not because I am towards the end of my career but I DO have a choice.

And no one has commented on the final salary pension schemes which are just a dream for most of us.