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To think Teresa May has just won the election?

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desertmum · 04/06/2017 11:12

Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

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falange · 05/06/2017 18:25

Someone said on the first page that they didn't think any public sector workers would vote for her. I'm one and I am and so are lots of my colleagues. Mainly because there is no valid alternative I think.

HornyTortoise · 05/06/2017 18:26

I'm always amazed at how people want change at any price, without being sensible about the alternatives on offer.
I genuinely trust Corbyn more than May on security. Her track record is abysmal, she keeps saying to judge her on her record, which is what I am doing. Hell a bloody newsthump satirical piece summed up my views on May a few mins ago...here it is. Absolutely the truth.

newsthump.com/2017/06/05/uk-hasnt-done-enough-to-tackle-terrorism-says-woman-whose-job-it-was-to-tackle-terrorism/

I cannot stand Abbott and do hope she loses her position soon because shes just useless in general.

I also think the MPs who left might possibly change their minds. IIRC the problem was that JC was 'unelectable'...they all reckoned he would totally tank, where I do think he has done pretty fucking well with this election. Yes nowhere near to forming a majority, but a hell of a lot better than most thought he would do cutting the lead as much as he has.

May is just absolutely useless. Standing repeating 'strong and stable' and 'brexit means brexit' over and over is useless. her record shows she is incompetent. I find solice in the fact that once the Brexit deal is done...May is likely to be gone and someone else (hopefully) more capable in her place. The Torys will stab her in the back as they can surely see how incompetent she is but they want a fall guy for when Brexit fucks the country more. I fully expect to see, and would welcome a challenge for leadership once Brexit is 'negotiated'.

I know many can't stand Cameron. But I had much more faith in him than May.

sleeponeday · 05/06/2017 18:26

How anyone could begin to think that Diane A would be competent as a HS is beyond comprehension. JC wouldn't have enough MPs to form a front bench. They have all resigned such is their confidence in him.

Diane Abbott is an idiot, no question, and you're right of course that he had to barrel scrape because they all resigned, but they did that because they thought he was walking them off an electoral cliff. He's now set to do better than they had ever expected - and if he won, it's an absolutely safe bet that they would be more than happy to accept a position of power.

I have no clue if he'd be any good as a politician. He seems to tell the truth and try to be reasonable and that's not normal. We don't know if politicians are all slippery eels because that's the culture, or because nothing else works. Scary time to try it. But honestly. May? Nyuh.

I want a hung Parliament. That way they'd all have to try to co-operate. What I do not want, above all else, is May with a huge majority. Do people want the links that show what the proposed cuts to education mean for their own child's schools? Because I've got 'em. Also got the info on how many visits our Cabinet have made to private healthcare companies in the USA, complete with photos, and the evidence on how badly starved of cash the NHS is... so when it crumbles totally, they can pull a British Rail and say it can't possibly work in state hands, and busily privatise the profitable elements (leaving the most expensive to us to fund - natch).

sleeponeday · 05/06/2017 18:28

I cannot stand Abbott and do hope she loses her position soon because shes just useless in general.

She brings incompetence into disrepute, doesn't she.

Almondbrew · 05/06/2017 18:30

"What I do not want, above all else, is May with a huge majority."
Ditto

Charmageddon · 05/06/2017 18:30

Corbyn has certainly improved his standing. He hasn't gotten flustered under pressure

Confused Jezza is tetchy as fuck when pressed on things he doesn't want to comment on!
angieC1965 · 05/06/2017 18:31

she shouldn't have cut the police force or MI5's budget. maybe then they would have the manpower to deal with terrorism. she has cut the budgets, the manpower and says enough is enough. too right theresa, enough is enough, you are not able or willing to keep us safe

Bouncygirl · 05/06/2017 18:32

Well,I'm a nurse who has always voted conservative - but after successive pay increases (??!?) of 1% and a realisation that it's only targets that count now as opposed to actually delivering good care, I can't vote for them any more. Which leaves me in a real dilemma as I think Labour are just as bad if not even worse.

angieC1965 · 05/06/2017 18:33

this is what the people doing the job of protecting us think. www.facebook.com/ReutersUK/videos/1623678524308964/?fref=mentions don't think many of them will be voting for her

Almondbrew · 05/06/2017 18:33

It's true DA is awful but come on BJ as foreign minister? There are so many incompetent politicians, Labour certainly not worse than Tories. Corbyn though is a proper leader.

SherbrookeFosterer · 05/06/2017 18:33

The only way Theresa May can win is everybody getting out on Thursday and voting.

There is a terrific campaign, "Plan to Vote", which I recommend everyone subscribes to.

Every vote really does count, so please make sure you cast yours!

HornyTortoise · 05/06/2017 18:33

Diane Abbott is an idiot, no question, and you're right of course that he had to barrel scrape because they all resigned, but they did that because they thought he was walking them off an electoral cliff. He's now set to do better than they had ever expected - and if he won, it's an absolutely safe bet that they would be more than happy to accept a position of power.

This says what I was trying to say so much more eloquently Grin

She brings incompetence into disrepute, doesn't she

I genuinely have no idea how she has managed to hang onto her job for so long. I am rather annoyed that Corbyn effectively promoted her but as previous posters have said he wasn't left with much of a choice. The ones who resigned will be back I imagine, with tails between legs accepting they were wrong so he could form a pretty decent cabinet and (hopefully) be rid of the dreadful Abbott for good.

The whole mass leaving thing was because they reckoned Corbyn was utterly unelectable. Looking a little daft now tbh and surely feeling it too...

Charmageddon · 05/06/2017 18:34

I also think the MPs who left might possibly change their minds. IIRC the problem was that JC was 'unelectable'

And that he wasn't strong enough on homophobia, misogyny, anti-semitism etc within the party & against his party members.

That he runs a chaotic office.

That he is uncontactable most of the time & ignores requests for meetings etc.

That he was a bully.

(That's just a few)

HornyTortoise · 05/06/2017 18:36

It's true DA is awful but come on BJ as foreign minister? There are so many incompetent politicians, Labour certainly not worse than Tories. Corbyn though is a proper leader.

Yes, Johnson is nothing more than a professional clown. That he holds that position is as bad as Abbott tbh, but only Abbott seems to be parroted all over. Both TM and JC have made dreadful decisions for cabinet...that much can surely be agreed between all?! Grin

HornyTortoise · 05/06/2017 18:37

Charmageddon

We will see...I somehow think the reasons given were mainly just excuses for them spitting the dummy about the members choosing JC again despite their opposition...

Almondbrew · 05/06/2017 18:38

"she shouldn't have cut the police force or MI5's budget. maybe then they would have the manpower to deal with terrorism. she has cut the budgets, the manpower and says enough is enough. "

And that is what the Conservative party stand for cutting public services to the absolute minimum.

The opposite of the Scandinavian model.

sleeponeday · 05/06/2017 18:39

because he is beyond contempt in my opinion for his past actions

Genuinely asking here: what might they be?

and I believe his scattergun, non prioritised, poorly thought out approach in the manifesto will wreck the country's economy.

Well, here's the thing: the economy, when struggling, does better when the government spends more, because Keynesian priming the pump holds that you give low-paid people more money and they spend it locally - they can't afford to save, or stash it offshore, as tax cuts to the rich achieves. They buy stuff they need, which creates employment, which.. money isn't a zero sum game, where there's only so much to go around anymore, because it's electronic - not in any concrete form - and so it can go up or down in quantity with the press of a button. That's why quantative easing was never the inflation risk people claimed - was when you printed money, but these days all the Bank does is electronically invent the funds to buy up large pension funds, gilts etc, and they then have the ability, should it cause serious inflation, to sell them again (inflation meaning the value would rise in purely number terms) and then delete the imaginary money - poof, money gone, and immediate deflation.

Cuts to the rich paid for by austerity for the poor are bad for the domestic economy, because it removes cash guaranteed to circulate in favour of cash highly likely to be invested elsewhere, or stored overseas. We averted global economic meltdown largely because the head of the Federal Reserve when it hit had a PhD in how to manage economic crises of exactly that type, modelled on the Great Depression.

And the deficit has ballooned more than ever before under the current administration, so austerity clearly hasn't done much for the nation as a whole, either.

Charmageddon · 05/06/2017 18:40

Maybe Horny.

I detest him with a passion so my view on him is always clouded by that (I'm usually quite good at remaining pretty impartial, but find it impossible with him Blush).

wherestheweightlosspill · 05/06/2017 18:40

Her speech was one of someone who's just arrived on the job and is slagging off her predecessor, 'enough is enough' - she's been in charge for the last 6 years! So when she says 'I'm going to sort this', what's she been doing up to now? She was told by the police 2 years ago that her massive cuts would lead to a huge decrease in public safety and she literally sneered and said they were scaremongering, but now she stands in Downing Street and trots out some platitudes like 'we need to prevent radicalisation' like it's a new idea and that makes her more electable?? Honestly staggered. I thought I could never vote for JC before this campaign, didn't think he had leadership skills but it turns out, she is actually the one who's managed to keep her complete lack of skill very well hidden for 9 months and JC is actually pretty good. A manifesto that wants to bring back fox hunting, ivory selling, dementia tax, even more tax breaks for the rich, is un-costed and relies mostly on 'trust us', versus the most daring manifesto in decades, that intends to help those at the bottom more than those at the top... hmmm, tough one....

Paertalle · 05/06/2017 18:41

I have no idea why anyone would want to vote for Corbyn or May. They are the two most lamentable party leaders in British political history.

mommyofboys · 05/06/2017 18:42

Talking is the easy part. The Doing is to be seen. Took her long enough to talk can't imagine about her doing except building a higher wall for her home, her office and spending on HER OWN SAFETY. Teresa May is every bit a coward like the ones who terrorise.
Can predict what she will say each time an atrocity like this happens.
We are not afraid. My thoughts are with the victims and families We will be united. Is she human? People died; devastated, lifes turned upside down, limbs amputated. It's not a bad storm that will pass and how dare she says that London will go ahead as normal? Tell that to the faces of families and friends of those perished!
She will then thank the met force the NHS staff for which she has squeezed and starved. Except for the top management, she works the service to their bones!
She is so icy that whenever I hear her speak or see a glimpse of her on News, it reinforces in me to have more loving kindness as each day passes.

makeourfuture · 05/06/2017 18:43

Debt, breakdown in security, no plan Brexit, everything.....

The Tories have made a total hash of it all.

sleeponeday · 05/06/2017 18:44

Here - you can check out how your child's actual school will fare under the proposed cuts. Also tells you what your local candidate's position on the cuts is - mine's not Labour, and they are opposed, so it's not a simple political equation, in fairness. May be fine if you're a free school, but even super selective grammars are being horrendously battered, otherwise.

unapaloma · 05/06/2017 18:47

Unapaloma you could say exactly the same about Jeremy Corbyn he hasn't actuality done anything apart from a long list of things he is going to spend money on Things that may sound wonderful but he has yet to prove it

There is quite a significant difference between the two of them actually - the conservatives have been in power for years, so have had ample opportunity to do things. Corbin has not yet had the chance to try - you surely can't think he should have solved all the countries problems whilst in opposition!?

sleeponeday · 05/06/2017 18:49

I have no idea why anyone would want to vote for Corbyn or May. They are the two most lamentable party leaders in British political history.

Friend put on her Facebook that she felt she was choosing between Basil Fawlty and Hyacinth Bucket's lovechild, and Baldrick. I agreed. I have to admit my view of Corbyn has improved considerably since then, but he's still not ideal, no. I'm not sure he has the ability to compromise his ethics enough to survive - it's admirable, his refusal to play dirty and insistence on seeing all sides as human, but it's also not very politically savvy.

I feel he's better than May by a mile, but I'm still voting Lib Dem as a single issue Brexit choice. In our constituency, they can win. And environmentally, and in employment law terms, as well as straightforward economics, I want a second referendum on the deal, so people can see exactly what they are voting for this time.

Now I really am off - kids are desperately hungry. I'm a shit mum tonight. Blush