To think Teresa May has just won the election?

[desertmum]

Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

Well said sleeponeday

How can you tell when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving.

Quite right Madbengalmum

If we're dead, who cares who pushes the button? We won't be there to see it. Most countries don't have nuclear weapons.

The shoot to kill element is quoted deliberately out of context - it's as much of a lie as Trump's recent tweets about Saddiq Khan. He actually said that he was uncomfortable with shoot to kill as the first option, because his preference was to properly fund police and ensure prevention so things didn't reach that stage. He also said the police and other authorities needed the power to take whatever steps necessary.

Again, I'm not even voting for him. I just loathe seeing the lies and misinformation in this election. It's as though people have seen Trump succeed with that approach and are now eagerly emulating it. What price democracy? The London School of Economics did a research paper in which they found the media - largely owned by non-dom billionaires - misrepresented, and at times outright lied about Corbyn 75% of the time. How is that good for our democracy? How is that acceptable in a free society?

You know the irony here? My own family will be better off under May. Financially, anyway. And even if Brexit crashes the economy to the point that's no longer true, we'll still be okay, because we're dual nationals. But I love this country. I don't want to see the NHS fall apart and the hardest off be the hardest hit by what's going to happen. It makes me so sad. It's turkeys and Christmas and I know I'm in a really privileged position. Most people worst hit aren't going to be, and I am really troubled by the cutting back on democracy I have seen in this election.

And then there's the Observer article on the report being suppressed. Great for national security, that. Find out that a country is funding terrorism; shut down the report because they buy a lot of arms from us.

Again, well said sleeponeday

As personable as Corbyn is, God help us if he wins!! Open borders, loss of identify and huge debts for our children to pick up!

You know the irony here? My own family will be better off under May.

And also ironically, my family would be better off under Corbyn
However, I cannot with all conscience vote for him, the man, nor his policies - because he is beyond contempt in my opinion for his past actions, and I believe his scattergun, non prioritised, poorly thought out approach in the manifesto will wreck the country's economy.

She could come out of No 10 with her knickers on her head yelling Allu Akhbar at the moment and she'd probably win, because we haven't got a viable opposition.

The current shower of shite isn't working though, time to try a different one and see if that does

Out of the fat into the frying pan comes to mind.

I'm always amazed at how people want change at any price, without being sensible about the alternatives on offer.

How anyone could begin to think that Diane A would be competent as a HS is beyond comprehension. JC wouldn't have enough MPs to form a front bench. They have all resigned such is their confidence in him.

Ps There isn't just one nuclear button. It would be possible to take out a limited number of people with a tactical warhead to prevent larger scale loss of life. It's not a binary situation.

It's not just about whats happend last few months It's about everything that is going to affect daily life in the next 5 years and that of our children & the elderly (who havent got a 2nd pension) ..esp cuts to Education, Local Council authorities, NHS, Police and Armed forces etc etc

I'd be very suprised if she wins but i don't know if Labour or a coalition (if it comes to that again) will be any better for the UK/ Northern Ireland

She will win, but not because we want her. It will be because there is no alternative.

She is very remote from the rest of us and hiding in her bunker with the likes of Nick Timothy isn't really helping things.

makeourfuture

"Nor is ISIS particularly concerned about Trident."

I so agree.

It seems like some of these terrorists are known to the security services.

SleepOneDay, well done

Even IF we all agreed she'd made one splendid speech with promises of specific actions which everyone agrees are good...., that wouldn't guarantee that they'd actually do what she offered. And surely one good speech is not enough to wipe out reams of vague rhetoric and slogans? Or anyone could hire a great writer, just before an election, and get elected.

She will never leave the EU without a deal.

It isn't actually up to her. I remember trying to tell people this during the referendum: we signed up to a series of processes. One is that a nation leaving has no right to be present at the negotiations at all. All this thundering on about, "Who do you want in the room - me or Jeremy Corbyn?" scares me not because she's threatening he will negotiate, but because our Prime Minister either does not know that she has no right whatsoever to negotiate anything - they decide, they tell us what they have decided, and we either take it or walk away with nothing - or she is deliberately lying to the people she is paid to represent.

This is how Brexit works: we take what they offer, or we walk away and have to default to World Trade Organisation rules along with such nations as Burundi, because every single existing treaty we have is predicated upon our status as a member of the EU, so every single one will have to be renegotiated, from scratch (and it's not very likely that our weakened bargaining position will tilt a deal in our favour). That's obviously... not ideal. But the problem we then have is that the EU have been increasingly pissed off with us for years, because we were so adversarial and asked so many exemptions, so now they are likely to feel quite punitive. That's even more so because they don't want us to get a good deal, because then other nations might think leaving isn't so bad after all. Why would they want to bargain in our favour? We're at the bottom of the G7 now, from being the 4th largest global economy, and things are not improving.

And if one more person cites the bloody Human Rights Act as a reason to leave, I will scream. In case there is anyone who still doesn't know - the European Court of Human Rights has nothing, NOTHING to do with the EU. It's the Council of Europe which is a totally different organisation - and we were founder members.

I think kids should have been taught about the European Union and the Council of Europe as a compulsory part of secondary education.

And now I am going to go and cook the kids their tea. And emulate Elsa in Letting It Go. Though less tunefully, and with more podge and less hair.

Took ages to find the video and its chopped a bit to cut out parts of what he said, but please actually listen to his words and tell me how they can be heard as 'JC DEMANDS May resigns'? Or that he called for it himself? He said he backed the calls. Chopped part said he wouldn't call for it himself. But they kept the part where he said it should be decided at the ballot

www.ibtimes.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-demands-theresa-may-resign-pm-three-days-before-uk-election-1624833

Fucks sake, no wonder hes pissed off that this has been all over the news today that he has demanded she resigns and such. Its just totally false.

I still won't be voting for her but I think you could be right, in the light of the most recent terror attacks her strong stance will appeal to many as JC appears too weak to deal with things.
There's a fair bit of negative attention on the cuts to police that she's made and their impact on security..... So could go either way.

Sorry half in the thought there... as VivienneWestwoodsKnickers said back on page one...

"Legislation is all very well, but doesn't stop people doing what they do."

Maybe more police services could follow up the leads and work in the community more closely with different groups, to ensure that when people do report someone, there is adequate follow up.

This all takes money. I'd rather the money for trident (which we do not want to use and may well never use) be used on police and security services, information gathering, community support, anti-radicalization programes etc.

Out of the fat into the frying pan comes to mind.

Does it? Not for me it doesn't, I've never heard that expression before :-D.

Ruth Davidson has just said 'let's make Britain great again'.

So accepting 7 years of Tories have been bad then??

I mean I hope we never use it!

She's coming under heavy criticism for cutting police numbers and some police representatives are coming out today saying she is lying about the current numbers of armed police. I'd have thought the anger over the dementia tax might have done her in earlier...Or her refusal to turn up at debates with the other party leaders...or the u-turns on saying she wouldn't call an election in the first place... she is definitely not a shoe-in and Corbyn has certainly improved his standing. He hasn't gotten flustered under pressure whereas May has come across as awkward when confronted by the press and robotic in her repeated sound bites.

Well done sleeponeday the voice of reason. People on the coalface tend to see things differently to the portrayal of various parties in the media. It's obvious who's lying & who cares most about the country & put the most leg-work into the manifesto. I really worry about the next 5 yrs, but think if the Tories get in again, there will be overwhelming vote against them at the next election as people will no longer be able to see the issues they cause as "someone else's problem".

Unapaloma you could say exactly the same about Jeremy Corbyn he hasn't actuality done anything apart from a long list of things he is going to spend money on Things that may sound wonderful but he has yet to prove it Anyone can be very pleasing in words telling people what they want to hear