To think Teresa May has just won the election?

[desertmum]

Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

He paid tribute to all the people who died during the troubles.

Only recently, when explicitly pressed to do so.

During her time as Home Secretary she oversaw huge cuts to the police (amongst everything else), was told by the police that this was putting the public in danger of another attack and when said attack happens your response is 'yep, seems like the right person for the job'?! Honestly?

JC has said that he doesn't agree with shoot to kill in a terrorist attack. In this incident this means that more people might have had their throats cut. We can see how much carnage can occur in just 8 minutes. Any delay would lead to further bloodshed. He is entirely weak on this issue which is one of the most pressing we face.

JC does not believe in shoot to kill as a rule, he does believe in using reasonable force. In this case, reasonable force would be shooting.

Shoot to kill is not always the best way. It is also not always needed. Shoot to kill if a terrorist had a bomb vest on, for instance, could very well mean the vest blew up. Shoot to kill is not necessary really if the terrorist is unarmed. There have been many case where people have been shot unnecessarily by police (mainly in America..as our police don't tend to shoot at all) ..I agree is should not necessarily be a first response.

Really OP? I thought it was terrible. I don't think it was the right time to set out some policy ideas when she has already said no campaigning today and also I think knee jerk policy reactions do not work. Best to investigate first, get full facts and then act. It was very poor taste. She was home secretary before so I think people remember that she has a terrible relationship with the police who she was so disrespectful to and who she expects put their lives on the line with less resources and funding. They and the emergency services are the heroes and I refuse on this day to forget that. My thoughts and prayers go to them, the victims and their families.

I don't think there's much doubt Theresa May was electioneering in her speech this morning, despite superficially observing the hiatus in campaigning.

Fortunately there are others doing plenty of talking too - is the Peter Kirkham interview pp have referred to - powerful stuff imo.

I too thought Emily Thornberry's response to Peston's goading was dignified, but then I am a fan.

Spectre, Alistair Darling was never PM, just Chancellor, after Gordon Brown went next door. His book about the banking crisis is excellent, just in case anyone wishes to relive that period.

'enough is enough' is too much like "someone’s got to be summonsed” (marriot edgar) and equally vacuous - soundbites are not leadership however much they reflect a national mood. There will not be quick solutions - it will take a generation but just as with the IRA they will recognise they cannot achieve victory with terror.

Lass - why was it nasty? I asked if people thought her speech would have swayed voters? If you want nasty - look at some of the other posts about TM and JC .
I asked a question - got lots of answers and thoughts from others.

Theresa has had an agenda regarding the internet since she was Home Secretary, she now has a perfect excuse to push for tighter control and everyone will think it's a good idea because we think it will protect us against the bad guys but it won't just be used against the bad guys, it will be used against all of us.

Exactly..do people really think ISIS members/people planning attacks and speaking about it use regular internet services? There are loads of programs and such that help you hide what you are doing, hell there is a browser that gives you a different IP address on each site you visit. Proxies to hide where you are. Many many programs that will hide what these people are actually doing. People seem to think a potential terrorist just logs on facebook and sends a PM to ISIS members?! As thats the only control May will be able to do. Snoop on those using the internet regularly. I know if I was up to something dodgy I would be using TOR or something as a browser and a few other programs at the same time...maybe should start using them now so as not to be arrested for treason for speaking about May unfavourably...

I kind of wonder why the terrorists keep going to the most heavily policed areas and not the smaller outlying towns/cities- I guess the shock and the 'that could have been me' and the fact they are ramming pedestrians/killing police officers right along from Parliament and MI5 has more publicity value (given they know they will die anyway).

I actually think its to show what they can do. People though London/Manchester would be the safest places to be after the attack. Heavily policed, high security. They are showing that this doesn't really matter. I actually think it will be smaller places next, places with a smaller police force who have been affected even more by the cuts than those in London.

I am a bit worried about this concert tonight tbh but I may be overthinking it. There was a huge hoohah over BGT changing its final date so as not to clash with the concert. This attack was around the time of the final finishing, and in the area where it was. I see this as a potential..warning.

But again I could be really overthinking this or this could be what they want, people to get paranoid.

Petronius16

“Wouldn’t it be wonderful if every politician around the world, instead of taking pride in the size of their armed forces, did what the people of Costa Rica have done and abolish their army and took pride in the fact they don’t have an army?”

Sorry what point are you making, in a short video clip you dont have time to include the full speech. Its pretty clear what he means and its dangerous. Who would protect us from N.Korea or Russia if we didn't have an army? Who would step in when evil tyrants decide to slaughter their own populations? Or is he just saying, "I wish we lived in a different universe?" Because it doesn't sound like that to me.

FYI Costa Rica does have an army it just doesn't call it one. It even takes part in biennial war games sponsored by the U.S. military. And increased its unofficial military spending by 123 percent between 2006 and 2012, the second largest increase in Central America behind Mexico. Its currently training for a remote, but nonetheless potential, future conflict with Nicaragua.

I kind of wonder why the terrorists keep going to the most heavily policed areas and not the smaller outlying towns/cities

I said that this morning when watching the tv to my 15 yr old.

His answer was "well they want to be killed don't they, they don't want to be arrested".

He's got a point I think - they want suicide by cop, so that they can go to 'paradise' instead of prison - they know there's plenty of armed police in London & know they're more likely to be shot & killed there.

It was nasty if JC to do it in a personal capacity? He paid tribute to all the people who died during the troubles

Funny I remember him going to funerals of dead IRA members but don't remember him attending any funerals of the British army!

Absolutely not OP. Might have worked a few weeks ago but sincerely hope people see through this empty rhetoric now. She has made several 'career-defining speeches' on how we must get tough on terrorism (remember Blackpool?) but what the British people need is action, not empty promises. She was Home Secretary....she blocked the National Identity card scheme suggested by Labour. She has withdrawn 20,000 police officers on cost grounds. Her aim was to create a 'hostile environment' for illegal migrants, according to the Guardian. Remember the 'Go Home' vans? Her tiny coterie of advisors have a lot more influence over her than her own cabinet, and in this election campaign, has wobbled and u-turned. Her instincts are punishing and confrontational and she shouldn't be anywhere near Brexit negotiations.

WalkingOnLeg0

Are you making the point that you have a shaky memory?

Or that your news source is one of the disreputable right-wing papers that claimed he danced to the Cenopath?

Strong and stable ?? They've chopped 20000 police off and decimated our armed forces. It's a bloody miracle more weren't killed last night, the main reason being it occurred in an area that's already policed. What if next time they launch separate attacks in less policed areas at the same time ?? They'd be bloody screwed.

Yes, May can now undo the damage done by that home secretary who reduced police numbers by 20.000. Oh, wait...

Funny I remember him going to funerals of dead IRA members but don't remember him attending any funerals of the British army!

Which funerals were these? You remember them, were you there?

The only one I have seen being touted is a picture from Bobby Sands funeral, and it's pretty clearly not him. Unless you're going to just randomly pick out pictures of random shaggy haired men and say they're all Corbyn?

The former Tory Party chairman, whose wife Margaret was left permanently disabled by the 1984 bombing of Brighton's Grand Hotel, added: “It’s a comfort to know that they were indeed being monitored, although clearly they stayed just on the right side, for them, of being charged with any offences.

From Norman Tebbit in the Telegraph. Basically, we watched him like a hawk and couldn't pin anything on him.

Link Lifted from another thread - TM was warned . Years as HS she had slashed police number - actions speak louder than words

As for befriending the IRA.......well the peace talks clearly worked. Who cares if he sat and had.tea.and biscuits with them and refused to get into arguments or condemn. The acts of terrorism here stopped, people are alive who may well not have been otherwise. That has.to mean more than anything and it clearly worked.

A point well and truly lost on those disappointed that JC isn't frothing with anticipation at the thought of getting his mitts on the red button.

As for befriending the IRA.......well the peace talks clearly worked

This rubbish again. Corbyn had no part in the peace process. He was a backbencher with no power whatsoever. He was not involved in peace talks.

OP

Why do you think Theresa May saying "enough is "enough" has won her the upcoming GE? I am asking as it now turns out that yesterday's attacker also has been reported as a radical by a fellow Muslim according to the BBC:

"A friend of one of the suspected attackers says he had reported him to the anti-terror hotline, but no action was taken.

The man, who asked not to be named, told the BBC's Asian Network that the pair had spoken about previous attacks and he was shocked at what he had heard."

No action was taken I wonder why?

Maybe due to lack of funding???????

Op in light that both the Manchester and yesterdays terrorists had been reported to the police by and still got way with planing and executing some of the most deadly terror attacks on our soil, why do you want Theresa May to be elected as leader of our country? She is not keeping us safe.

He voted in favour of the Good Friday Agreement, following years of involvement in the search for a peaceful solution. He may not have held a position powerful enough to instigate a peace process by himself but to say he was 'not involved' is a little inaccurate.