To think Teresa May has just won the election?

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Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

Vivienne
Thanks so much for taking the time to answer. Yours is such a distressing account.

What a waste of the valuable resource that you are. All that training and experience going to waste - what a tragedy. Someone who is more than willing to put their neck on the line for the rest of us, forced to leave. And at a time when we need you more than ever.

I think yours is the most powerful argument yet why cuts to police funding is so catastrophic.

"They are both voting conservative."

turkeys and xmas

"Ex-police officer here. I left 2.5yrs ago after 10yrs service. I was present at the Fed Conference in 2014 when she literally shook with anger and seemed to be venomously spitting at the audience that the Police were crying wolf. Apparently every officer was to blame for the sins of our forefathers. The cuts were a figment of our imaginations - she had not cut our budgets, we were just shit at managing the numbers. "
vivienne

All this has happened on her watch, enough is enough doesn't cut it when you have had seven years to sort it out. Odd that it takes an attack on London before enough is enough.

Look Labour and the recession left this country on its knees we had to make cuts. We all knew it and at the time nd so a coalition government was formed (Con and Lib Dems) when those police cuts were made so its not just Tories fault. If cuts to police weren't made where should they have been made. It might be easy to jump on things like foreign aid or other projects but you have to take into consideration that money was already tied up and promised in contracts already by Labour. Commitments you can't just walk out on no matter how much you to want to, commitments that might cost more to walk away from than it is to continue on with them.People don't want cuts made to welfare, don't want cuts to NHS, don't want cuts to police, don't want cuts made to transport. Don't want to be taxed more, don't want to pay for their care in old age, don't want to pay to go to uni, public sector want to be paid more ...I mean you are never to going to please anyone at this rate.

The cuts were made at the same time as giving tax breaks to corporations. What is more important, national security or keeping your mates happy?

You seem to take the "blame anyone but the Tories" approach. Are they not to take responsibility for the ever increasing problems of poverty, division and radicalisation that have all happened on their watch? Who would you like to blame for them?

May has said nothing that I didn't already know. All talk, no action. Yes enough is enough, now we need to ACT. But all she really said election goes on. What the heck is she actually going to do? Perhaps her mind is too much on selling off the NHS assets. I have just scanned through Nolan report and am gobsmacked. Suggest all should wade through it....frightening stuff.

@Almondbrew, she speaks about the NHS and teachers with the same contempt.

A "leader" that cannot take responsibility for her own actions.

I am no fan of Jeremy Corbyn but see a long of misleading talk about "shoot to kill" as opposed to "reasonable force". Each has a discrete and different meaning and both can result in police/security forces killing terrorists.

There is a detailed article here : www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/17/shoot-to-kill-what-is-the-uks-policy

As I understand it Jeremy Corbyn opposes "shoot to kill" (i.e. going out with intention to kill regardless of immediate risk) but is fine with "reasonable force" (what happened last night when killing was used to stop immediate risk)

That should be "lot of misleading talk"

She learns her words OK, but has no talent for delivery because she doesn't have the heart, and doesn't really believe in her lines.

Saying it is one thing. Is she going to plough funding into the security services, reinsistate the 20k police she (or her government) has cut, fund the NHS properly. Give these brave people who are frontline in all of this a fucking payrise? Pay freezes for years whilst MPs get large rise after rise is an absolute disgrace.

Yeah she can say the right things, but thats entirely different to implementing change that actually matters.

Her inadequacies when at the home office has come back to haunt her. Yes, she probably will win because money has always outweighed human suffering, especially when you have plenty of it. On another thread there are people moaning about whether they can send their children to private education if JC gets in. Seems to me they should be worrying about whether they can afford private healthcare for their little ones instead.

this has happened on her watch, enough is enough doesn't cut it when you have had seven years to sort it out
Oh I didn't realise the Home Secretary had the power to end global terrorism. Well that's ok then lets elect a pacifist as PM, Dianne Abbot can change her hairstyle and we will all sleep soundly knowing that they will have ended Islamic terrorism over a cup of tea.

For all the ppl who rattle on about JC shoulder to shoulder with terrorists check out TM relationship with Saudi, and they're not funding terrorism?

CitrusSun - I have done thanks. But honestly there is no comparison between TM and JC on this and JC and the Labour party all know this. it was always going to be his Achilles heel and one reason why so many of his own MP's refused to serve him.

no one is mentioning this now though. that a lot of talented members of the Labour party wont serve him and that this will adversely affect his ability to govern.

Tory policies have killed 10 times more people than ISIS so far this year. But you think that just lefty propaganda, or its different somehow.

Safe with someone who suppresses a report into the funding of terrorism?
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia

As always "follow the money" . Random citizens lives are a price successive governments have considered worth paying for doing business with the Saudis.

Bombardier25966 has and this coming from a person who doesn't even understand debt and deficit and harps on about how Tories have increased debt. We were in a recession corporation had to be reduced to stimulate the economy but you don't understand economics so carry on blaming Tories for increasing debt without really understanding anything. Labour left this country bankrupt your lucky the cuts weren't worser than they have been.

Jeremy Corbyn opposes "shoot to kill" (i.e. going out with intention to kill regardless of immediate risk) but is fine with "reasonable force"

Yea but the problem is, who's reasonable force, Jeremy Corbyns? Would a fire arms officer be more hesitant shooting knowing if he gets it wrong Corbyn could have him strung up in the Tower of London before bed time? We know Corbyn refuses to say it would be reasonable to kill the head of ISIS, so his version of reasonable force is way short of what is needed to protect this country.

So true Wormulonian, there's no denying it, but of course tory supporters spin it in their favour, lies and deceit are in the DNA of TM and she does a great job on all those who follow her, she has no emotion in those eyes, she's repitilian, bloody scary if we have another term of her, the country can only become poorer in every way

This is worth reading

johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know

I don't see how three terrorist attacks in such a short time are "good" for the incumbent administration. Surely they expose the frailties and limitations of systems and infrastructure this government - and most pertinently May herself - presided over.

To me her words are just more of the same hollow, cynical tell the children what they want to hear garbage and I could never vote for her.

I sincerely hope not (in answer to the OP). Haven't heard her speech but she is full of hot air. Just as her speech when she first became PM was.

This is how Amber Rudd answers when questions about Saud guns and support comes up.

Tory policies have killed 10 times more people than ISIS so far this year. But you think that just lefty propaganda, or its different somehow.

Have they?

I presume you don't have access to the news or internet then?

Isis are doing a pretty sterling job of murdering thousands across the Middle East.