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AIBU to object to neighbour marching into our garden? PARKING THREAD ALERT!

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CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 08:39

We moved into a new house last October, in a little tucked-away square, and our nearest neighbour is very close to our house, and adjacent. She seemed a finicky old soul but harmless. I started putting her bins out and putting them back for her, because she is close to 80. Brought her a cupcake when I was baking, that kind of thing.

However, when we had our driveway done, everything changed. I gave her a copy of the plans upfront, as the land gets cut a strange way, and it was to be paved where it was all grassed before - hers merging with ours. I told her the dates and to let us know if her land registry plans were different to ours.

She wasn't happy about it being done, although her plans agreed with ours. 'it was always fine as it was', etc. She also asked us to pay for gravel on her little section, which I just dodged as it seemed utterly unreasonable. I just politely repeated, each time she had a moan, that we wanted to do it, and it would mean one fewer car on the road outside. We had space for one car but by paving it it can take two, so visitors can park on our drive instead of on the road. But when the work started, there were problems throughout. Her daughter always parks directly in front of our drive when she picks her mum up, but one time when I parked on the road because I couldn't park on our drive while it was being done, there were ructions. Her daughter said she could not get onto her mum's driveway, but... she never does park on the driveway. She just pulls up outside our house. So yes, my car blocked that, on this particular day, but they never actually do that, if you see what I mean. Her daughter was really unpleasant, but I let it go. Then one time her daughter was on her way, and she knocked and asked our workmen to move their truck, so that her daughter could get on the driveway (which, as I said, she never does). He told her politely that when she arrived, he would move it, and what car should he look out for. She slammed the door that time. Also, when I spoke to her to try and smooth it out, she said she was annoyed the work was taking longer than she thought it would. That seemed very unreasonable too, as it is our works. I just said yes, we weren't happy it had gone on a bit too. Since that conversation, she completely stopped saying hello to us or our boys.

Then two days ago we got some garden work done. I had put a note through to let her know which days the high hedge between our houses (our hedge) was being trimmed, and if any foliage dropped into her garden, to let us know and we would come and remove it. My mum was here while it was done, as we were away for the week - and she knocked on the old lady's door to reiterate that if anything fell in her garden, she/we would remove it immediately. The old lady was quite rude and said no, her son would do it.

Later, she knocked and said her cleaner was on the way, and could our workmen move their truck (it was parked across our driveway, not on our driveway, being pretty big). Her cleaner would not be able to get her car onto her driveway. My mum, having had enough of the trouble last time and not wanting to hop to her tune straightaway, said 'Yes, I will ask them when they come down from their ladders.' The old lady said, no, could she ask them now. My mum said no. The old lady said she would ask them herself, and my mum said no, they were our workmen and she would ask them. Then my mum went into the house. The old lady opened our side gate, and went into our garden, and asked them to move their car! After this, she had a gardener arrive, and made a barbed comment to my mum about him removing stuff that had fallen into her garden - despite me having offered in our note and my mum having offered that very morning. I am also worried she will bill us for it, but that is a side issue.

Let me stress, there is no shortage of parking around the square outside our house, only a metre or two away. Her daughter blocks us in all the time, when picking her mum up, and I have never made an issue of it. When workmen are here, it is clearly a temporary thing, and we have never said they would not move their trucks, just not straightaway while the men are working.

DH says I should let it go, but she has been so unpleasant all the way through, and it really bugs me that she walked right into our garden like that.

AIBU? What would you do?

OP posts:
Ceto · 03/06/2017 10:36

I don't entirely follow how something parked across your driveway blocks hers? We NEED that diagram. But yes, it the workmen were blocking access then they needed to move, no matter how inconvenient it might have been.

And, of course, by the same token if her daughter blocks your driveway then she needs to move without delay every time she is asked to do so.

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 03/06/2017 10:38

Elderly people often find change difficult, also she probably has plenty of time on her hands, to continually mull this over.
I'd try and let it go, the job should be nearing completion, and just hope she returns to her normal self. I imagine she is annoying her daughter with her constant witterings.
However, I hear you, it must be awkward.
Forget the cupcakes and bin shuffling.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 03/06/2017 10:41

I think there's a bit of a difference between someone blocking a drive for a few minutes when dropping someone off and a builders van being parked there all day.

Belmo · 03/06/2017 10:42

She sounds like a total pain, but you/your visitors should never be blocking her driveway whether she uses it or not. And your mum was rude. So you're both U, I reckon - I'd just ignore, and hope the work is finished soon.

BewareOfDragons · 03/06/2017 10:42

Your workmen should not be blocking her drive whether she uses it or not as it upsets her. End of.

Ditto for her daughter: she should not be blocking your drive (soon to be drives), and you should point out the hypocrisy in her complaint.

But you should also ensure your workmen stop blocking her in.

For everything else, YANBU. She is. It is your drive, your property, your garden hedge. You have a right to make improvements to and maintain your property whether she likes them or not. You offered to clear up any foliage droppings.

CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 10:44

Gosh, so many responses to read through. Thank you. It is really bothering me so having other perspectives will really help.

Just to clarify, when workmen park in front of our drive, it doesn't block her driveway exactly, but makes it more difficult to get onto her driveway. They have to drive round the truck out front and edge in, but it has never been actually blocked. She calls it blocked, but it actually isn't. Workmen have only parked in front of our driveway instead of on the square because they are carrying paving slabs/rocks/foliage to and fro, so they get as close as they can to our side gate. Her daughter does actually block us in when she collects her mum. It is usually only for 5-10 minutes, and it wouldn't bother me except that they have made such a hoo-hah about when trucks have parked where it is more difficult for them to get onto a driveway (that they never drive onto anyway).

I can understand the confusion about how it all fits together. A diagram would be good, but not sure how to attach a pic. I will try and figure it out.

As to the poster who asked when she marched into our garden, it is in the original post.

Will plough through all the responses when my toddler pipes down, at leisure. Thank you.

OP posts:
gleam · 03/06/2017 10:44

Don't block the driveway, it's bloidy annoying.

gleam · 03/06/2017 10:44

So annoying, it's bloidy!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/06/2017 10:52

OP, be careful because what you are saying is the same thing just isn't. Picking up an elderly person (5-10 mins) is NOT anything like having contractors blocking access, however slightly, for HOURS at a time.

To be honest, you and your mum seem to have picked up the gauntlet here and the response to your neighbour saying that the builders were 'up a ladder and you'd speak to them when they got down' was ridiculous.

I have an elderly neighbour and some of the things that she worries about are of no or little concern to me but, because she's elderly, I accept that small concessions will smooth our way - and it is actually reciprocal. She never forgets when we do something for her and appreciates it.

Best train your boys very well to ensure that neither of them encroach on your neighbour at any time either... or you could find that your other neighbours will start taking sides and it won't be yours. She has the time to speak to them whereas you seem to enjoy being insular. Your choice but just remember that it was.

I think it's referred to as 'having your arse in your hands'?

CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 10:56

OK, it is clear how to post a pic from my laptop, rather than my phone. Here is the pic of my house, with her house to the left. I took it from the green square out front, where people can freely park around.

As you can see, if you park in front of our house, you could still drive around onto her driveway. And I stress, the only people ever to have done so are workmen who are carrying stuff to and fro, so they position the back of the truck facing our neighbour's house, making the distance the shortest.

Also, the driveway work went on for a month, and the gardening work only for a day and a half.

AIBU to object to neighbour marching into our garden?  PARKING THREAD ALERT!
OP posts:
CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 10:58

Lyinwitchinthewardrobe - insular? How have we been insular? We chat to all the neighbours, and have done multiple little things to help our elderly neighbour out. I don't understand what you mean.

OP posts:
CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 10:59

oh and our boys never go onto her land. I have made sure of that. So I am not sure where the 'boys encroaching' stuff comes in either.

OP posts:
CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 11:04

Oh and Lyin, when her daughter picks her up, blocking us in actually means further for her mum to walk. If she parked on the actual driveway, that would be the closest place for her mother.

OP posts:
Lostwithinthehills · 03/06/2017 11:05

To be fair to your neighbour a month was a long time for her to put up with your workmen outside her house and it may have influenced how she feels about anything else you do that impinges on her. I expect she has expressed her unhappiness to her daughter who probably now feels defensive on her elderly mother's behalf.

PurpleMinionMummy · 03/06/2017 11:07

Making access difficult isn't on either. Yabu and making excuses for it.

Scholes34 · 03/06/2017 11:07

Well this is just so petty. Of course the OP is under no obligation to grave the neighbour's drive, however small, but given the disruption works on the OP's house causes to the neighbours it would have been such a small and generous thing to have done. As for all the arguments about who's blocking who in, when the neighbour's daughter blocks your drive, OP, you've admitted that it's only for 5-10 minutes. You know exactly whose car it is and if you are so desperate to access your drive in that time, you know where the driver is to ask her to move the car. And builders are notorious for their need to park their vehicle as close as possible to where their working - a few feet can make a big difference to them! Yes, it's legal where they're parking, but for the sake of maintaining (or in your case trying to re-establish) good relations with your neighbour, ask them to be a little more considerate. If relations between you and your neighbour have broken down, your behaviour since the arrival of the builders has done a lot to bring that about. However just you might feel in your stance and behaviour, you've got to live there, so good luck to you. Pleased I'm not your neighbour.

Scholes34 · 03/06/2017 11:09

Meant to say, HappyJanuary is talking a lot of sense. I'd have HappyJanuary live next to me!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/06/2017 11:13

OP, perhaps 'insular' was the wrong word, I didn't realise that you talk to your other neighbours also. What I meant is that you've gone from the occasional cupcake to a 'defensive stance', which I totally understand but it's very awkward.

I have to say I winced a bit when you said you took cupcakes to your neighbour and put the bins out because it's SO awkward now. I've been in your position before myself (with a shared access) that became so awkward that I just moved.

From your photo (very helpful), I see what you mean about the driveway and yes, it's quite petty to complain about being blocked in but, your neighbour's (and her daughter's) hackles are up now so any, tiny little thing is going to set them off.

I said about making sure that your boys never encroach because that is the last thing that you want. Kids playing wouldn't think anything of a ball going in somebody's garden as being something dire but in a neighbour 'dispute', everything is sensitised. That's all that I meant by that.

Is there any way of speaking to neighbour and just drawing a line under this and starting fresh as polite neighbours?

CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 11:13

Scholes, I have never made a fuss about her daughter blocking me in. I have never blocked her in. I have never made a fuss about anything, and I have put her bins out, and I have watched over her house (let her know when someone was doing something odd with her front door), and I have brought her cakes.

Not sure why you wouldn't want to live next door to me!

OP posts:
bigmack · 03/06/2017 11:16

You've obstructed her driveway over a period of time and she has found this upsetting. She was perfectly entitled to ask the workmen to move their van.

CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 11:18

Just as additional information, we didn't even draw the driveway line according to the land registry plans. It looked very brutal to her, so we brought it forward by a foot or so, ceding our land. I think we have tried very hard to be neighbourly, and I have to say I feel quite crushed by people saying we have been bad neighbours :-(. The issue I have issue with isn't the blocking in by her daughter (it was added as extra info), but only her opening our gate and going into our garden. I have let everything else go - the barbed comments, the aggressive daughter, the blocking in.

OP posts:
NoSquirrels · 03/06/2017 11:22

Well, if that's your only issue then just ignore it - your mum should have asked them to move straight away, knowing it was a sore point in neighbourly relations. Digging her heels in really wasn't helpful.

She an 80-ish year old bothered about parking and access. She's not going to be in your garden all the time for nefarious purposes.

Let it go, and try to move on gracefully.

bigmack · 03/06/2017 11:23

I don't think that you've been a bad neighbour, but you don't seem to recognise how upsetting this situation may be for your elderly neighbour. She probably feels very vulnerable.

Lostwithinthehills · 03/06/2017 11:29

Later, she knocked and said her cleaner was on the way, and could our workmen move their truck (it was parked across our driveway, not on our driveway, being pretty big). Her cleaner would not be able to get her car onto her driveway. My mum, having had enough of the trouble last time and not wanting to hop to her tune straightaway, said 'Yes, I will ask them when they come down from their ladders.' The old lady said, no, could she ask them now. My mum said no. The old lady said she would ask them herself, and my mum said no, they were our workmen and she would ask them. Then my mum went into the house. The old lady opened our side gate, and went into our garden, and asked them to move their car!

So this is the bit you are angry about, everything else is padding.

As you haven't said otherwise I assume that your neighbour asked politely for your workman's truck to be moved but your mum refused to ask the workman. I don't blame your neighbour for asking your workmen herself, what were her other options for getting the obstruction in front of her drive removed?

WinBigly · 03/06/2017 11:30

I wouldn't have put paving around the bush to the left of the picture, it looks ugly and makes the neighbour's patch of grass look bizarre

I think you're as bad as each other to be honest. Your mum could easily have asked the gardeners to move their vehicle there and then (e.g. "when you've finished up the ladder, can you move your van") rather than saying she'd ask them later. That was dismissive and is what caused the neighbour to enter your garden in the first place.

These stupid little neighbour disputes escalate to ridiculous proportions - court cases, physical assault etc. There's no winners in these situations.

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