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AIBU to object to neighbour marching into our garden? PARKING THREAD ALERT!

112 replies

CookieTramp · 03/06/2017 08:39

We moved into a new house last October, in a little tucked-away square, and our nearest neighbour is very close to our house, and adjacent. She seemed a finicky old soul but harmless. I started putting her bins out and putting them back for her, because she is close to 80. Brought her a cupcake when I was baking, that kind of thing.

However, when we had our driveway done, everything changed. I gave her a copy of the plans upfront, as the land gets cut a strange way, and it was to be paved where it was all grassed before - hers merging with ours. I told her the dates and to let us know if her land registry plans were different to ours.

She wasn't happy about it being done, although her plans agreed with ours. 'it was always fine as it was', etc. She also asked us to pay for gravel on her little section, which I just dodged as it seemed utterly unreasonable. I just politely repeated, each time she had a moan, that we wanted to do it, and it would mean one fewer car on the road outside. We had space for one car but by paving it it can take two, so visitors can park on our drive instead of on the road. But when the work started, there were problems throughout. Her daughter always parks directly in front of our drive when she picks her mum up, but one time when I parked on the road because I couldn't park on our drive while it was being done, there were ructions. Her daughter said she could not get onto her mum's driveway, but... she never does park on the driveway. She just pulls up outside our house. So yes, my car blocked that, on this particular day, but they never actually do that, if you see what I mean. Her daughter was really unpleasant, but I let it go. Then one time her daughter was on her way, and she knocked and asked our workmen to move their truck, so that her daughter could get on the driveway (which, as I said, she never does). He told her politely that when she arrived, he would move it, and what car should he look out for. She slammed the door that time. Also, when I spoke to her to try and smooth it out, she said she was annoyed the work was taking longer than she thought it would. That seemed very unreasonable too, as it is our works. I just said yes, we weren't happy it had gone on a bit too. Since that conversation, she completely stopped saying hello to us or our boys.

Then two days ago we got some garden work done. I had put a note through to let her know which days the high hedge between our houses (our hedge) was being trimmed, and if any foliage dropped into her garden, to let us know and we would come and remove it. My mum was here while it was done, as we were away for the week - and she knocked on the old lady's door to reiterate that if anything fell in her garden, she/we would remove it immediately. The old lady was quite rude and said no, her son would do it.

Later, she knocked and said her cleaner was on the way, and could our workmen move their truck (it was parked across our driveway, not on our driveway, being pretty big). Her cleaner would not be able to get her car onto her driveway. My mum, having had enough of the trouble last time and not wanting to hop to her tune straightaway, said 'Yes, I will ask them when they come down from their ladders.' The old lady said, no, could she ask them now. My mum said no. The old lady said she would ask them herself, and my mum said no, they were our workmen and she would ask them. Then my mum went into the house. The old lady opened our side gate, and went into our garden, and asked them to move their car! After this, she had a gardener arrive, and made a barbed comment to my mum about him removing stuff that had fallen into her garden - despite me having offered in our note and my mum having offered that very morning. I am also worried she will bill us for it, but that is a side issue.

Let me stress, there is no shortage of parking around the square outside our house, only a metre or two away. Her daughter blocks us in all the time, when picking her mum up, and I have never made an issue of it. When workmen are here, it is clearly a temporary thing, and we have never said they would not move their trucks, just not straightaway while the men are working.

DH says I should let it go, but she has been so unpleasant all the way through, and it really bugs me that she walked right into our garden like that.

AIBU? What would you do?

OP posts:
LadyLapsang · 03/06/2017 09:52

Well consider it from her point of view, new neighbours move in and gravel the drive against her wishes and, moreover, don't offer to pay for gravel for her small bit (that would have been an inexpensive way of gaining some goodwill). Then they are parking 2 cars instead of 1 - so perhaps extra noise - on the drive and blocking access to her own home on more than one occasion for her and her visitors.

inkydinky · 03/06/2017 09:54

Really you shouldn't be blocking her drive. She's clearly finding the disruption stressful. I have just fallen out with my neighbours over something similar. They have family staying and have been blocking my drive for months / preventing my visitors from parking in my spare space. Their view ( bit like yours) is that I don't usually use my spare space so it's okay. It ignores completely the fact that actually they don't know all of my guests movements and I could need that space at any time. I spent months knocking and politely asking them to move a few feet to allow access (which I really resented but wasn't prepared to fall out about so wa terrifically polite about it) and when I finally said, look, this isn't reasonable, can you stop. I got a mouthful and they've stopped talking to me as if I am in the wrong. Much as you assume your neighbour to be. My neighbours were previously nice to me too. Taking parcels in etc and lovely with my children but it didn't buy the right to block my drive!

TestTubeTeen · 03/06/2017 09:54

She is being a pain, yes.

But my elderly parents have just had months of 'improvements' going on next door and the impact on them has been immense. The noise, the massive increase in dust, getting in the house, filthy windows, perceived lack of privacy with workman around. All legal, people are entitled to do it, but it does affect the quality of life for neighbours while work is going on.

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/06/2017 09:55

Your workmen should not park blocking her driveway. She sounds batty and doesn't like change. My ndn was exactly the same. And we also used to be on good terms with her and her husband. She couldn't see that our one storey extension was exactly the same as her having had her two storey extension 20 years ago. Her issue was that she didn't want to do anything to her house. The logic there escapes me.

Just continue to be kind and respectful. Escort her off the property if it happens again. My ndn, who created these problems died on the operating table earlier this year. I think she was less than 70. Yes, it took the issue away as her presence was very upsetting as she'd stand looking out of her upstairs window at us with a scowl and parked her car infront of her house so our workmen couldn't, zoomed past my dd and me like a maniac and we don't have pavements along the road etc etc. She also wouldn't allow the workmen on her land to build the extension wall so it looks really rough but could see nothing wrong with her workmen coming on my land to fix a leak. But I was still very upset that she'd died. Despite her unpleasantness toward us, I remembered a time, when she was nice to us. And of course her husband was heartbroken.

Ariawyn · 03/06/2017 10:00

Are the builders across your drive or her drive?

Are they actually blocking access to her drive?

kaitlinktm · 03/06/2017 10:00

As PP have said, you could put a lock on your gate - but I realise this is impossible if you have workmen in doing stuff and they need constant access. But I would be inclined to put one on anyway to use when they have finished. If she has walked into your garden once and got what she wanted, she is likely to do it again when you are not expecting it.

I would also be inclined to put some sort of notice on it indicating that it is private, do not enter etc.

I would also from time to time (not every time - that would be unreasonable, at least to begin with) ask her daughter to move her car as you need to go out now. I say this because when people get selfish it might not even be on their radar that they block you in a lot more than your workmen block them in. Try not to block them in though if you can.

She might be 80, but that doesn't mean she can't be rude and taking the piss, and I say that as someone who has parents aged 84 and 88. They wouldn't dream of acting like this.

pictish · 03/06/2017 10:01

She has nudged things up a level by going into your garden as though she has the right. I can see why this has annoyed you so much. Don't rise to it. Flatly ignore. She is trying to become a factor...make her an irrelevance.

NoSquirrels · 03/06/2017 10:01

Oh no doubt it is all petty & irritating stuff, but your mum did rather inflame the situation by not offering to speak to the gardeners straightaway, so the "marching into your garden" thing whilst being a bit off I can understand. Both as bad as each other in that scenario.

You should have paid for the gravel. It was a small gesture in the scheme of things, presumably not at all expensive compared to what the driveway cost. I think if you had you might not be having all this angst.

Never block the drive again, and do not allow anyone to do so - just explain to workmen that you're terribly sorry but your neighbour gets cross about it so please could they park further down.

My MIL can get a bee in her bonnet about things that other people do that are totally unnecessary "in her opinion" and it is vexing and wearing. But it's best to ignore and keep on the right side and not rise to provocation.

RoseTico · 03/06/2017 10:02

Are you still putting her bins out for her? She's very short sighted if she's acting this badly when you are doing her favours every week.

That said, if some of your workmen can park somewhere very near that leaves her never-used drive free, then maybe that's the best course to take?

TheMaddHugger · 03/06/2017 10:04

Who's drive are they blocking ????

wowfudge · 03/06/2017 10:05

Difficult to figure out what the set up is without a diagram, but it does seem to have got a bit tit for tat although you were right not to back down over the drive, etc. You shouldn't block her drive at all or you just lose the moral high ground. If you block her drive access you can't complain when her daughter blocks yours.

hmcAsWas · 03/06/2017 10:06

I must say, it gives me the rage if someone blocks my drive...and I am normally quite reasonable. I find it arrogant and entitled - however if a neighbour came over and asked me first if it was okay to temporarily block my drive, and that they would immediately move the vehicle if I needed to go out - then I would be okay with that. I guess it is about being asked first rather than the other party just assuming that it is okay and me looking out to see my driveway blocked without any forewarning.

On the tall hedge issue she was being completely unreasonable.

AnnieAnoniMouse · 03/06/2017 10:07

LadyLapsang

Well consider it from her point of view, new neighbours move in. Yes. Into THEIR house, not hers.

gravel the drive against her wishes. Gravel THEIR driveway.

Then they are parking 2 cars instead of 1 on THEIR drive.

so perhaps extra noise on THEIR drive

Do you see the pattern?

blocking access to her own home on more than one occasion for her and her visitors. Blocking access she never uses. Deep sigh.

The neighbour is being difficult because she liked it how her neighbours driveway/garden was better. That's totally unreasonable. I like the neighbours opposite garden how it was before they moved in & I liked their windows better before (they've had mock Tudor pvc windows put in a '70's terraced house, looks ridiculous IMO) but it's THEIR house. I can raise an eyebrow at the ugliness of it, but it's not my place to say anything, as it wasn't my place to say anything whilst they had a skip on their driveway & they were parking on the road making access to my driveway very difficult. It's life.

She's stupidly cut off her nose to spite her face. She had neighbours doing nice things for her & looking out for her. People she could trust & ask for help. Now she's created all this animosity over the OP gravelling HER OWN driveway. She's been very stupid.

hmcAsWas · 03/06/2017 10:08

Oh and I think I would have a word with her daughter about not blocking your drive!

lalalalyra · 03/06/2017 10:16

You're annoyed because she "marched" into your garden to tell your tradesperson to move their vehicle, which was blocking her drive?

Your Mum was rude. If someone doing work for you blocks a neighbours drive then they are perfectly entitled to ask them to move now. Doesn't matter what they do or don't use the drive for.

Take her daughters parking up with her and stop letting people block your neighbours drive.

HappyJanuary · 03/06/2017 10:17

Some elderly people have a lot of time to worry about things that busier people wouldn't worry about.

My grandma is a similar age. She considers it a busy day if she needs to go to the butchers. She stresses if a routine bill arrives. She frets about Christmas from august onwards.

She's not batty or cantankerous, she's set in her ways and doesn't like change. Many of us will be the same, although we don't think so now.

As far as I can see, she doesn't like her drive blocked. She doesn't want you to move the vehicle when her daughter or cleaners arrive, she wants it kept clear at all times.

This is easily remedied by asking visitors not to block her drive, especially as there is ample parking a few metres away.

It wouldn't bother me that she came into the garden, and your mum was a bit rude telling her she'd ask the workmen to move later.

diddl · 03/06/2017 10:18

I need a diagram also!

If your drive encroaches onto hers somehow, why would you expect her to pay anything if you wanted the work doing?

Was her drive blocked by the truck?

How long does the daughter block your drive when she pick up & does it usually affect you?

llangennith · 03/06/2017 10:24

Let it go. Things will calm down and get back on an even keel once your extensive building works are finished.
I expect everybody will be relieved.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 03/06/2017 10:25

I'm confused. So the workman ARE blocking her drive? And you're saying they'll move it when you say so not when she asks? If I've got that right then YABU.

PurpleMinionMummy · 03/06/2017 10:26

So Ylyou/your visitors keep blocking access to her drive and you wonder why she's annoyed? Whether she uses it or not is irrelevant, it doesn't mean you can block it.

If her dd regularly blocked yours to the point you had to ask her to move you both sound as bad as each other. If her dd literally stopped there a min whilst her mum went out to the car I don't see the issue as presumably she was in the car and could move straight away if you needed to come out.

FrancisCrawford · 03/06/2017 10:27

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shesabrick · 03/06/2017 10:30

In some ways she is being deliberately awkward so all you can do is make sure you are never in the wrong - do not ever block her drive or allow workmen to, its irrelevant if she uses it or not, and don't take her cakes or whatever but continue with saying hello and big fake smiles every time you see her. Engaging with the nonsense will not help in this situation.

My grandmother was rather like her. She lasted until 95 in her own house, I bet her neighbours thought they'd be rid of her much sooner too.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/06/2017 10:31

I agree with HappyJanuary. OP, your elderly neighbour's unreasonableness started off quite mildly and it's grown because you've allowed your workmen to encroach on space that they needn't have.

It's not always about who's right and who's wrong but more about a 'way through' that doesn't impact either too badly. Yes the works are temporary but this is your neighbour and she is not temporary.

You can still get what you want and need without outright making enemies and bear in mind that if things do escalate, the time and attention you will necessarily have to spend on taking it through proper channels will be disproportionate to any mild consideration you would/could give now.

Is it really worth it? Or could you take an objective look at what it is you're doing and what it is your neighbour is upset about? You've already refused what you don't want to do and that's fair enough but for the smaller stuff... what will it actually cost you to make your contractors more considerate of your neighbours?

Think about it before it really gets out of hand because you will ultimately lose and be posting about it here constantly. Not.Worth.It.

TheSmallClangerWhistlesAgain · 03/06/2017 10:33

Your workmen should not be blocking anyone's drive. They do need to stop doing that.

Equally, if her daughter is blocking yours and you need to get out, you should ask her politely but firmly to move.

We have nightmare whiney neighbours now. They have been having work done on their house and their favoured passive-aggressive tactic is getting workmen to interfere with our access. It is Not On.

We do not put their bins out, offer them stuff from the garden or kitchen, or even speak to them unless strictly necessary.

pipsqueak25 · 03/06/2017 10:33

where is op ? there are lots of posters asking valid questions.

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