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Mum angry I won't change my name

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Jackie7123 · 02/06/2017 01:53

My partner and I have been together for nearly six years so inevitably marriage has come up a few times. He has never been that bothered either way about it but knows I would like to and I know he had come round to liking the idea too. I've always said I wouldn't change my name, we have talked about it extensively and he said he didn't care. In fact a few times he said he liked that I felt that strongly about it. He respected it.

The other day we were with my family and I told them this. They seemed surprised but asked a few questions and left it. That night my mum had a few drinks and took my partner aside to talk to him about it and went off on one. Said that it is wrong and is not how it is done and that it won't be a real marriage. That tradition is too important. She said that if I didn't change my name what's the point in marrying at all. That he should object to my decision. She added that my dad was going to have words with him about it.

This has freaked him out. Now he is asking if we should marry at all seeing as he isn't that bothered about it and I don't feel strongly about doing the whole thing in the traditional way either. He isn't saying anything super strongly, just airing his concerns that have been built up by my mother.

AIBU to be furious at my parents about this? Particularly my mum. We have always had a good relationship. And they aren't old fashioned so I'm gobsmacked at their reaction. I am just so so angry that she thought it ok to try and manage and manipulate me in this way. Rather than ask me why I have made that decision and then tell me her feelings on it she has chosen instead to talk to my bf behind my back in an attempt to force me to change my name sneakily. I'm 28 and have done pretty well. I've always been very sensible (possibly even boring) and they have never had a reason to doubt my judgement. Or to question my choices/lifestyle. I feel that as an adult I have earned their respect, even if they still think of me as their kid. Mum's decision to try and influence me this way rather than actually talk to me feels like a bit of a slap in the face.

My mum also told my bf exactly where my wedding is going to be and everything, I haven't heard anything about any of it! All totally decided.

Now my bf and I will talk more about it because we communicate really well. So I'm not worried about him so much. But what do I do? He doesn't want to damage his relationship with his mother in law by me getting mad at her, although he agrees with me that she was being underhanded. He doesn't want to look like a snitch.

But I can't get it out my head to be honest. I'm upset and I can't help it. I'm shocked that something I thought was entirely my decision and of no real consequence to anyone other than me and my partner would anger them so much.

OP posts:
NoLoveofMine · 02/06/2017 10:34

It would be nice for both family names to continue.

It's good you've talked about this and decided what's best for your families. I suppose I meant as a general point it irks me that it's still expected that a child will have their father's surname and as you pointed out part of your reasoning is the male line to carry it on. If I ever have children and that was being banked upon by the future father's family, they'd have to have a rethink. If I have children they will have my surname.

Or who did change it and regretted it too?

At least one poster on this thread has said they did. Also as there's so much pressure on women to change their surnames in some cases even to this day, from their fiancés, future parents in law and even their own parents as in your case some are forced into it which is ridiculous. Such relatively unquestioned sexism.

SoupDragon · 02/06/2017 10:35

Keep your name, more women should!

No, more women should do whatever they wish without being judged/criticised.

YoloSwaggins · 02/06/2017 10:35

On the other hand, I want to change mine - it's long, sounds shit and has a shit meaning in my home language. My boyfriend's is short and sweet AND the name of someone who invented a method that I use in my field - so if I became an academic, I could pretend that was me as well Grin

NoLoveofMine · 02/06/2017 10:37

No, more women should do whatever they wish without being judged/criticised.

Mostly women are judged and criticised for keeping their surnames, even pressured into changing them.

The choice is also not made in a vacuum, or as many men as women would change their surnames upon marriage.

BiddyPop · 02/06/2017 10:39

I am married 17 years, I have a DD (who has DH's surname) but I have kept my own name and it has caused almost no problems. I answer to Mrs DHSurname, and DH answers to MrPop if need be, as we each order or arrange things and the person may not deal with both of us together for ages (if at all). Once we had a joint account (not everyday but needed for mortgage for an extension we were building) I was able to lodge any cheques that DM sent to Biddy DHsurname (the last 2 were finally right! There are only maybe 1 a year for different things like presents or things she's asked me to get for her).

DH and I are a very clear and definite family unit though - there has never been any question in anyone's mind about that. Even with the amount of business travel which is undertaken in the household (both of us have some, it fluctuates, but DH definitely has the bulk).

But I also still have my own name for work purposes - and that is important to me too.

RoseTico · 02/06/2017 10:43

You haven't spoken to her yet? Any chance you want to go the slightly evil route? Call her and say he had a complete freakout about marriage out of nowhere and so you've both come to the conclusion that it's not for you and you'll just live as partners...

You sound very kind actually, I would be fuming and very hurt if my mother had told my boyfriend that she and your other parent were going to bully him into bullying you. That's appalling!

QueenBeet · 02/06/2017 10:48

PrettyGoodLife - blow your friend's mind with this info : I don't have my father's surname. I don't have my grandfather's surname, as my mum didn't have her father's surname. And my grandmother wouldn't have had her father's name either. Not everyone follows the 'tradition' of naming all children after their father.

NoLoveofMine · 02/06/2017 10:55

Absolutely QueenBeet. Plus the only way to change this is for more children to have their mother's surnames rather than the father's being almost given automatically.

RoseTico · 02/06/2017 10:57

I'm considering taking on my great-grandmother's surname. Partly because it's lovely and you hardly hear it anymore, but mostly because she was the last stable and kind person in my family - I barely knew my grandparents, probably wouldn't have known my grandmother if I walked past her in the street, I have an absent father and I'm NC with my mother. So I kind of want to walk back a bit to the last non fucked up bit in my family tree!

deugain · 02/06/2017 10:58

There are lots of good, solid legal reasons to get married. Not one of them has to do with changing your name.

^^ This.

Is she unhappy with you settling down at all?

My MIL was off around engagement, married and every pg - partly as she wanted different DIL - despite non other being on scene ever - but mainly to do with her getting older. She had DH young but despite him doing things a decade later it was too young - her response after two year of marriage to first pg was she was too young to be a GM Hmm - DH was 31.

2ndSopranos · 02/06/2017 11:05

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ravenmum · 02/06/2017 11:07

if I didn't change my name what's the point in marrying at all
The point of marrying is to give you and potential children legal and financial security. Have a search for some of the "he doesn't want to get married" / "when will he finally propose" threads.

I changed my name on marrying, now I am changing it back on divorcing. My children will then have a different name to me. My mother also divorced when I was small and remarried, so I grew up with a different name to her. It's all just paperwork and does not affect any of our relationships in any way at all.

Jaxhog · 02/06/2017 11:09

Elope. Now. Before it gets any worse. It's your life and your wedding.

Unless you're particularly religious or a big ceremony is important to you, just pop along to the register office with a couple of really good friends, and have a fab night out after with whoever you want.

And keep your name if that's what you want. Actually, you'd think your DPs would be pleased you want to keep their name!

NotYoda · 02/06/2017 11:09

I hope you can talk to her and get to the bottom of why she's behaving so uncharacteristically

Maybe she is going through some emotional stuff as the moment which has been triggered by this

Jaxhog · 02/06/2017 11:16

Also, I don't know what was more outrageous. That your DM wants to organise your marriage like this, or that she only spoke to your BF! She's stepped way, way over the line. You do need to talk to her though, and gently, but firmly, tell her it is your wedding, your marriage and your life.

LadySalmakia · 02/06/2017 12:59

I didn't change for pretty much the same reasons as you OP - I just feel very knee jerk strongly that I don't want to, it's my name - and also feminism. Several older women told me they wished they could have kept theirs, but it just wasn't the done thing in their circles.

SenecaFalls · 02/06/2017 13:03

When we got engaged a friend said very matter of factly that your surname is either based on who is your father or who you marry.

True, but a man's surname is (usually) also based on who is his father, but almost never who he marries. So the naming practice is much less equal for women than it is for men.

CheeseQueen · 02/06/2017 13:06

I agree with your mums's stance on name changing, but no way would I be saying any of that to you as it'd be none of my damn business!
YOU don't want to change your name, that's fine, that works for you and you soon to be DH.
She needs to learn to butt out and let you make your own decisions. Nothing to do with her.

PeaFaceMcgee · 02/06/2017 13:26

Out of character, emotional and drunk - sounds like something else might be going on... Probs in her own marriage?

NoLoveofMine · 02/06/2017 13:29

I agree with your mums's stance on name changing

Bizarre. Why is it wrong for a woman to keep her own surname? Why shouldn't a man change his surname if it matters?

CheeseQueen · 02/06/2017 13:43

Bizarre. Why is it wrong for a woman to keep her own surname? Why shouldn't a man change his surname if it matters?

As I said, each to their own. OP's mum has no right to foist her opinions on her and tell her what she should and shouldn't be doing as ultimately it's up to the individual to decide what's best for them, not someone meddling and telling them what to do.

ForalltheSaints · 02/06/2017 13:52

I would have thought your future MIL should be more concerned about the names of any children you have. I know many women who keep their maiden name, especially at work, and have no problem with it.

NotQuiteJustYet · 02/06/2017 16:14

Weddings don't half bring out the crazy in people. My own dad proved to be the biggest pain in the ass to cater for when DH and I got married.

If I were you I would 'go on holiday' and enjoy a lovely private wedding and honeymoon rolled into one.

MissShittyBennet · 02/06/2017 16:51

I agree with your mums's stance on name changing, but no way would I be saying any of that to you as it'd be none of my damn business!

Which is odd, because her mother's stance is manifestly wrong, and not in a matter of opinion-y way. In an actual, factually incorrect way.

Name changing isn't an essential part of marriage, it's just something that some people have added relatively recently, when you think how long humans have had marriage. The existence of marriage in cultures where this doesn't happen and before it did is obviously proof of that. Those marriages weren't any more or less proper than any others.

Plus it's incorrect to think there's no point in marriage if you don't change your name, because there are so many legal and financial ramifications of marriage which clearly are a 'point'.

I mean, by all means prefer name changing, or think it's nice or whatever. Even think it's better: that would be merely eccentric, but it's still a matter of opinion. But the things her mother has said aren't. They're just wrong.

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 02/06/2017 17:25

I wouldn't elope or slip off to the registry office without telling anyone.

This has obviously opened up a can of worms for your DM and shown you a side of her you haven't seen before. You need to get to the bottom of it before you do anything, and if necessary set out your boundaries with her - on names, where the wedding is to be held, what sort of wedding it will be, the fact that if she wants to say something she can say it to you not your DP - but also for the future, if you have children.

(And a family unit is created by the way people behave, not by what they're called.)

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