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Mum angry I won't change my name

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Jackie7123 · 02/06/2017 01:53

My partner and I have been together for nearly six years so inevitably marriage has come up a few times. He has never been that bothered either way about it but knows I would like to and I know he had come round to liking the idea too. I've always said I wouldn't change my name, we have talked about it extensively and he said he didn't care. In fact a few times he said he liked that I felt that strongly about it. He respected it.

The other day we were with my family and I told them this. They seemed surprised but asked a few questions and left it. That night my mum had a few drinks and took my partner aside to talk to him about it and went off on one. Said that it is wrong and is not how it is done and that it won't be a real marriage. That tradition is too important. She said that if I didn't change my name what's the point in marrying at all. That he should object to my decision. She added that my dad was going to have words with him about it.

This has freaked him out. Now he is asking if we should marry at all seeing as he isn't that bothered about it and I don't feel strongly about doing the whole thing in the traditional way either. He isn't saying anything super strongly, just airing his concerns that have been built up by my mother.

AIBU to be furious at my parents about this? Particularly my mum. We have always had a good relationship. And they aren't old fashioned so I'm gobsmacked at their reaction. I am just so so angry that she thought it ok to try and manage and manipulate me in this way. Rather than ask me why I have made that decision and then tell me her feelings on it she has chosen instead to talk to my bf behind my back in an attempt to force me to change my name sneakily. I'm 28 and have done pretty well. I've always been very sensible (possibly even boring) and they have never had a reason to doubt my judgement. Or to question my choices/lifestyle. I feel that as an adult I have earned their respect, even if they still think of me as their kid. Mum's decision to try and influence me this way rather than actually talk to me feels like a bit of a slap in the face.

My mum also told my bf exactly where my wedding is going to be and everything, I haven't heard anything about any of it! All totally decided.

Now my bf and I will talk more about it because we communicate really well. So I'm not worried about him so much. But what do I do? He doesn't want to damage his relationship with his mother in law by me getting mad at her, although he agrees with me that she was being underhanded. He doesn't want to look like a snitch.

But I can't get it out my head to be honest. I'm upset and I can't help it. I'm shocked that something I thought was entirely my decision and of no real consequence to anyone other than me and my partner would anger them so much.

OP posts:
sashh · 02/06/2017 08:27

The changing your name thing is from when wives were considered property.

Apprentices took their master's name as did slaves.

It is entirely up to you whether you keep your name, change it, have a new name you share or anything else.

Who decides what a proper marriage is?

The Queen only changed her name in the 1960s and then it was double barreled (well the name for when she or descendants need a surname).

brindisi · 02/06/2017 08:30

I think most men do still propose yes. It's definitely more common than getting the whole family involved in a name-changing / wedding location debate before anyone knows where they stand.

Vagndidit · 02/06/2017 08:37

I didn't change my name after marriage and endured a barrage of nonsense from DH's mother about the whole issue, somehow insisting that SHE found it embarrassing,. Clearly I'm not committed to her son, and it would be confusing for our children--not to mention a very exasperated "I wouldn't know what to call you!" Ermm, how about Vagn?

Roll on a decade and a half later and guess what? My son knows that I'm his mother, my marriage has outlasted that of my MIL, and nobody cares!

Do what you want. Tune her out.

SarahOoo · 02/06/2017 08:39

I didn't change my name when I got married, my brother in law, prior to us getting married actually said the words 'what's the point in getting married if you don't change your name?'. I reminded him that if it was solely about changing my name then I'd just change my name by deedpoll...this soon shhhhh-ed him and others up when asked the same question. Hope that can help with your mum!

Jackie7123 · 02/06/2017 08:42

I am both worried about her and mad at her. I'm afraid I feel both at the moment. But I didn't want to go off on one, which is partly why i came here haha.

I doubt there will be a formal proposal, we feel very much like a team, so decisions are made mutually. We had decided that we wanted to marry in the next 18 months or so. My mum knew that but we didn't make a 'formal' announcement or anything. It was very early days so I didn't expect any debates. I didn't even announce the name thing, someone happened to say in a conversation that I would be Mrs Hisname one day and I just replied well actually I wouldn't be.

What my mum said was that the purpose of marriage was to create a family unit - for everyone to have the same name. That without that there would be no family unit. So my partner wasn't swayed so much as he asked is she right? And that if I'm not bothered about the traditional idea of marriage would we be doing something just to tick a box and go along with what's expected. We have discussed it again since and he isn't swayed in that sense.

Nothing will make me change my mind about the decision. We had extensive discussions not because I wanted his permission but to make sure that I thought through any worries that I might have about it (such as children etc) and for me to make sure he is the type of man I would want to marry. He is.

It is true she might have woken up cringing. I think a chat is the way forward.

Haha. I like that reply Sarah0oo

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ptumbi · 02/06/2017 08:43

It is odd that she has suddenly decided that it is a big thing to her. After all, plenty of cultures exist whereby the woman keeps her own name - the 'tradition' in UK is only because of 100 years-or-so of use.

I think I'd be having a long chat with her about stuff - it maybe a breakdown of some sort if it is totally unexpected and unusual behaviour.

metspengler · 02/06/2017 08:44

If he hasn't married you and he is relaying your mum's views to you in this way, are you sure there's no element of him feeling this way himself?

TestTubeTeen · 02/06/2017 08:46

Have you discussed whether your Dp would change his name on marriage?

Jackie7123 · 02/06/2017 08:52

We talk about things very openly. I'm certain if he felt that way he would say. He has never been afraid to say things before! We haven't married before because we didn't want to yet. We bought a house etc instead.

And yeah he doesn't want to change his name. And as I don't want to change mine I can see where he is coming from.

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SarahOoo · 02/06/2017 09:10

I'd definately try my suggested response out Jackie7123 and glad you like it! On the below...

That without that there would be no family unit

Our baby girl is 7 weeks old with my husbands surname (a whole other conversation, she also didn't automatically get that surname, ideally I would have double barrelled but that sounded ridiculous!) it doesn't make me, him or anyone else who cares about it feel like we're not a 'family unit'. I've seen this come up a few times on these name threads, such crap. To even talk about enrages me! A name is written and has no tangible effect on love and caring for each other.

In conclusion, your mothers opinion on this is frigging stupid (in my opinion....😝)

TestTubeTeen · 02/06/2017 09:21

But SarahOo, although your arguments are good, surely the heart of the issue is the way the OP's Mum undermined her and went to her Dp. That would have been hurtful, controlling and interfering whether about trifle recipes, hair style or marriage traditions.

SarahOoo · 02/06/2017 09:39

TestTubeTeen it doesn't matter what the heart of the issue is....there are many issues here. There isn't a rule on debates that only the 'heart' of an issue can be discussed. Maybe in your world only?

One point does not mean one can't comment on another part....eugh.

BadToTheBone · 02/06/2017 09:55

I'm 50, been married 13 yrs, really really wish I'd kept my own name, it still feels alien to me, I miss my name.

RegTheMonkey1 · 02/06/2017 09:59

Been married 21 years and kept my own name. MIL was a bit sniffy about it, but my own name is quite nice and unusual and husband's name is one the most commonly occurring in the UK. She refuses to address cards etc to Reg The Monkey, but just Reg as she cannot bear to write my own surname. If it's a Christmas card or something else to the pair of us she writes Husband and Reg. No surnames. That way she avoids the whole issue.

RegTheMonkey1 · 02/06/2017 10:00

I should add, I didn't keep it because it was 'nice and unusual' but because I was professionally known by that name and also didn't see any reason why I should.

NoLoveofMine · 02/06/2017 10:02

You are absolutely right to be enraged at this. How absolutely ridiculous. Why on Earth should a woman have to change her name upon marriage? Plenty don't. There's not a single reason which isn't grounded in sexism for the woman to change her name when marrying.

Honeybee79 · 02/06/2017 10:02

Your mum sounds bonkers and demonstrates a total lack of understanding of what marriage actually means in legal terms. And of course, it's none of her business either!

Yanbu.

NoLoveofMine · 02/06/2017 10:03

It shouldn't be notable for a woman to keep her surname upon marriage. There is no reason for a woman to change hers which wouldn't work if the man changed his. You don't need any excuse or reason to.

crumbsinthecutlerydrawer · 02/06/2017 10:07

Barbara Grin that was my proposal! We were at home and I'd just cooked a roast dinner after always saying it was a waste of time doing it for just two of us. He left the room and came back with a ring he'd bought six months before.

Disappointing for anyone else, I'm sure, but I would have been embarrassed if it had been a public thing.

NoLoveofMine · 02/06/2017 10:07

I don't mind our children having his surname - he is the only boy in his family. I have a brother so my name can go on.

Why should it be males who automatically pass their surnames on? It's the woman who goes through pregnancy and giving birth. There is absolutely no chance I'll ever have a child who doesn't have my surname.

PrettyGoodLife · 02/06/2017 10:11

When we got engaged a friend said very matter of factly that your surname is either based on who is your father or who you marry. It all seems very patriarchal when put like that. I thought that at least I chose my DH so would consider changing my name. As it happens I never really got around to it, 15 years on I still use both names, but professionally I kept the maiden name.
Why is it that weddings bring out the worst in some family members? Your Mum does sound -bonkers- difficult on this subject. I really hope she does not overshadow plans.

couchparsnip · 02/06/2017 10:18

The family unit thing is outdated. Why would you not feel like a unit just because people have different names! There are so many variations of family where people have different surnames. The nuclear family with Mum, Dad and kids with the same name is no longer the norm.

Alexis1983 · 02/06/2017 10:28

You are the way forward for feminism! Changing your name to your husband's comes back from the day when a woman was the man's property. It's your name keep it, it's 2017 you should not have to take on a man's surname. Marriage should be a reinforcement of your love. Keep your name, more women should!

Jackie7123 · 02/06/2017 10:30

NoLoveOfMineI agree the tradition is very sexist. But feel like being realistic and his sister's kids have a different name while my brother's would have his parents. It would be nice for both family names to continue. We have talked about his as well. And again I don't think having a different surname would change my family unit.

Crumbsinthecutlerydrawer I love that proposal. Sounds perfect.

PrettyGoodLife I agree the whole thing is patriarchal. I just really like my name!! Haha. I identify with it. It is who I am.

This is an interesting subject though. Out of curiosity is there anyone who didn't change their name and regretted it? Or who did change it and regretted it too?

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YoloSwaggins · 02/06/2017 10:33

Or who did change it and regretted it too?

I think my mum regrets that she didn't double-barrel, because she went from a "long foreign" surname to the most common one in the UK. She's an academic and says there's at least 3 other people with her exact name/surname and it's annoying when she searches for her papers and a bunch of unrelated subject areas come up.

If she'd double barreled, she would have been a unique snowflake.

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