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To think there are a lot of Tory shills on this site at the moment?

123 replies

BertrandRussell · 01/06/2017 19:31

All these "I'm so sacred of Land Tax/is Corbyn a terrorist/the BBC is biased to Labour" threads can't be real, surely?

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BertrandRussell · 02/06/2017 09:04

"I didn't like the way he dropped his tablet like a naughty child either, when the presenter said was using it." good lord, did he do that?

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AllThePrettySeahorses · 02/06/2017 09:06

It was a very odd point to make at that time hackmum. The meeting wasn't about Israel, it was about anti-semitism in Labour. TBH, I think Corbyn is too involved with ideologically anti-Israel organisations and anti-semitic people. He's even accepted funding from them according to the Register of Interests.

hackmum · 02/06/2017 09:06

Of course you're frightened of the "land tax", LadyInCement because you've been subjected to the finest scaremongering the Tory press can offer.

At the moment, we have a less-than-perfect system of local taxation called the council tax. That replaced a similarly imperfect system called the poll tax, which replaced a system that had worked well for years, known as the rates. The rates weren't perfect either but they were simple and logical.

Here's what the Independent says about land taxes (and bear in mind that this is something under consideration, not a definite plan):

"Land value taxes are paid by landowners on the unimproved rental value of their land. They are recommended by many economists – ranging from Adam Smith to the Institute for Fiscal Studies – because they are considered to be economically efficient.

"Land ownership is highly concentrated in Britain, with 432 people owning half of all private rural land. One man, the Duke of Westminster, owns 133,199 acres, including 300 acres in central London.

"As a result, a move to LVT could see a dramatic shift in property taxation towards wealthy property barons, with most people getting a cut."

But why let the facts get in the way of some tedious Tory scaremongering?

AllThePrettySeahorses · 02/06/2017 09:07

BertrandRussell I thought he kind of shoved it away guiltily.

BertrandRussell · 02/06/2017 09:07

"I think Corbyn is too involved with ideologically anti-Israel organisations and anti-semitic people."

Anti Semitic people? Name some names?

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BertrandRussell · 02/06/2017 09:08

" I thought he kind of shoved it away guiltily"

I didn't realise there was a webcam.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/06/2017 09:11

Of course you're frightened of the "land tax", LadyInCement because you've been subjected to the finest scaremongering the Tory press can offer.

Maybe Labour shouldn't have mentioned it in their manifesto.

Just a thought.

hackmum · 02/06/2017 09:13

Alltheprettyseahorses: "How many adults in this country? 50 million plus? And we pick one of these two to lead us. Are they really the best we can do?"

It's a fair point. But I guess this is to do with the way politics works. Who would become a politician now? I read an article by Jess Phillips about the amount of abuse she gets - reams of hateful stuff, including rape threats and death threats. And she's a good constituency MP who goes out there and works hard and helps people. Why would anyone bother?

hackmum · 02/06/2017 09:14

Piglet: "Maybe Labour shouldn't have mentioned it in their manifesto."

Why?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/06/2017 09:15

Why?

Errr because if it us in there people are going to talk about it and it could be implemented.

Orlantina · 02/06/2017 09:17

Maybe Labour shouldn't have mentioned it in their manifesto

Both parties are known for doing things that aren't in their manifesto.

Why?

"Events, dear boy, events"

As Harold Macmillan might have said

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3577416/As-Macmillan-never-said-thats-enough-quotations.html

MaryPoppinsPenguins · 02/06/2017 09:25

These threads are becoming tedious.

I wouldn't vote for Corbyn because I don't think he is what we need in the world of Trump and Putin... doesn't mean I was planted here to spread this opinion Wink

MaybeNextWeek · 02/06/2017 09:28

'Even so Jeremy does not stand a chance of winning this election. He speaks absolute rubbish, I'd never heard of him until recently and he has single handily destroyed what was left of labours reputation. '

Sadly, as demonstrated by the numerous gushing JC is great threads here, people really are taking in by his 'i'll fix everything just don't ask me how' policies. Like Trump in America naive voters believe all the clap trap and while we can only hope he doesn't get in I do think he's in with a chance. People are so keen to believe all this free school meals, free child care talk to the terrorists and it'll all be lovely stuff.

'Agreed re Tory shills. They have a strangely similar wierd angry posting style too so easier to spot' Confused

The only 'weird angry posting style' I've seen are the charming 'May is cunt' posts.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 02/06/2017 09:38

The only 'weird angry posting style' I've seen are the charming 'May is cunt' posts.

I think people only notice it if it doesnt match their own bias

MaybeNextWeek · 02/06/2017 09:44

'I think people only notice it if it doesnt match their own bias'

Well no, it'd be refreshing change to debate with posters who say 'I disagree with 'May because..', but to claim people who vote tory post 'weird and angry posts' when we've just had a 'May is a cunt' thread is bollocks.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 10:10

Just to even up the corbyn laptop think (and because i was like this Shock when i watched it Grin)

Bojo on the preston show, reading the presenters notes when he was interviewing some one else....umer!!!!

I will probably not vote tory or labour this time

CaptainWalker · 02/06/2017 10:13

Yes definitely, mrs May has pissed off her own base supporters and is panicking. I wish people would realise that coalition of chaos has no basis it was used against Ed Milliband in 2015 and they will keep using it. There is no coalition with SNP.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 02/06/2017 10:24

Tory shills = people I disagree with

ExplodedCloud · 02/06/2017 10:28

There people starting or joining posts who actually want to talk about it and post elsewhere on MN too.
There are brand new posters starting inflammatory threads with no posting history and no intention of discussion. And in some cases just joining MN for a very short while to make a few posts.
Big difference.

LadyinCement · 02/06/2017 10:30

There is no coalition with SNP.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/01/jeremy-corbyn-refuses-rule-labour-coalition-deal-snp/

I've got serious deja vu remembering the last election posters of Nicola Sturgeon being a puppeteer. This election is nothing if not interesting. People thought Nicola Sturgeon was done for and now she's seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

MrsLupo · 02/06/2017 11:15

people really are taking in by his 'i'll fix everything just don't ask me how' policies

I think he's been very clear about how he intends to fix things. If you think it's a bad idea to tax the wealthy to refinance housing and education, and remove the internal markets and thus publicly-financed layers of private profit from the health and transport systems, then that is another matter, of course.

In contrast, it's very hard to understand how the Conservatives intend to improve matters while digging ever deeper with policies that have cut public services off at the knees and left millions of Britons without dignity or quality of life. All financed by 'general economic growth', haha.

(Clue: there isn't going to be any 'growth' post-Brexit.)

AutumnalLeaves38 · 02/06/2017 12:15

Bourdic,

"Some posters are mixing up a good education, intellect, intelligence , cleverness and linking possession of any/all to political success. There are many many other attributes that contribute to political success/ greatness such as wisdom, experience, principles, courage, humanity..."

The single most sane and true post I've read on any board, pre-Election Star Star Star

Dawndonnaagain · 02/06/2017 12:23

FFS. Every time this comes up we get crap like Oh, you lefties.
Lefties spout bile, ad infinitum.
All parties use online social media.
All parties spout bile, it's a defence mechanism.
Tories are angry because you're attacking their personal principles.
Labour because the usual Tory principles of the rich getting richer and the poor, poorer seem to hold true.
I'm a socialist. I'm voting Corbyn. He isn't a communist, he's a socialist, there's a difference.
I've been here for bloody years.

hackmum · 02/06/2017 12:27

Piglet: "Errr because if it us in there people are going to talk about it and it could be implemented."

But that's true of everything in the Labour manifesto. Any policy they put forward will be talked about and misrepresented in the media. I suppose you could decide not to bother with a manifesto at all but I can't see that working very well.

picklemepopcorn · 02/06/2017 15:51

So, are there any knowledgeable people out there able to have a conversation without being very biased/opinionated? I've things I want to understand better, but when it comes up all the aggro starts and I end up more confused than before! I can't possibly learn everything I need to know to make up my own mind. It's ridiculous. I think I'll just do what Brian Cox does, he sounds like a bloke who knows a lot...