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How are you planning to vote if you earn over £80,000

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howtovote · 28/05/2017 19:12

Just wondering the above really.
I can't stand the conservatives and always assumed I would vote Labour in this election, however with the tax increase over £80k I feel I'd be shooting myself in the foot a bit.
What do others think?

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kaytee87 · 29/05/2017 07:09

Lib dem although my dh will probably vote conservative...

Assamteaformeplease · 29/05/2017 07:12

I don't earn that much but would be happy to pay more in tax if it was used properly. I resent paying tax to the tories but would happily pay more if labour were in power as I trust them to use it properly on the people who need it .

Sostenueto · 29/05/2017 07:14

I hope all can afford private healthcare insurance for your care needs in later life. Oh and hope you can afford medical insurance too because the only thing what will be free in NHS will be A and E. Hope you all can afford private tutors to get your children into the new grammar schools. Hope you can afford to eat when inflation reaches over 10%. If so, then vote Conservative. If not then vote for someone else.

needastrongone · 29/05/2017 07:24

This thread is really interesting as there is a lot of diversity of opinion and indeed, if it is representative of the wider voting public, then the Conservatives would struggle to be elected.

Yet, if the polls are to be believed, and I can't believe they would be SO wrong this time, then the Tories will win with a significant majority. I realise there's some movement in the last week, but last week was, I think, an exceptional week for obvious reasons.

The division in the Labour Party worries me more than many of their policies to be honest. Particularly with Brexit looming.

It's somewhat arbitrary in our constituency anyway.

Sostenueto · 29/05/2017 07:39

You won't need to worry about brexit if you can't get medical help because you can't afford it. Or you can't eat because you can't afford it
Be like me poor, I will be poor despite brexit along with the majority of this country. So I don't need to worry about brexit. Only the top 5% need worry about it. I would rather focus on things that really matter.

coconuttella · 29/05/2017 07:42

I earn over £80k, and will probably vote Tory, though income tax rate have nothing to do with my decision... I'd be happy to pay at Labour's rates to ensure quality public services. I just believe the Tories are more likely to be able to deliver on those services....For Labour's policies to work, a strong economy is needed, and I fear that in their zeal to spend, they'd bankrupt the country and we'd be another Greece or Venezuela.... no one wins in that scenario, especially not the poor.

I won't vote LD because, despite voting remain, I was on the fence and did so largely out of fear that any love of EU, and I don't support a second referendum. All it would do is ensure the EU gave us a hideous unfair deal in the hope that we'd vote to stay in, which risks backfiring as the British public don't like to be bullied by Europe. We'd then leave the EU with a millstone round our necks far worse than it need have been.

ProudConservative · 29/05/2017 07:46

Despite my current username, I have voted for both main parties in general elections and wish there was a viable alternative to Incompetent or Impotent.

I'm worried about the radical manifesto, weak leader and embarrassing front bench from Labour. I'm worried about an unchecked government led by May.

I'll be voting for the Cons. Brexit may not be a failure with May but I can't imagine Corbyn doing well. Corbyn's populist and too-far left manifesto at this time is wrong. Remember how spend, tax and borrow worked out last time?

DH and I earn significantly over £80k each but it has little bearing on how we vote. I'm afraid that no one will be earning enough to support anything if Corbyn fucks the economy.

As always, I'm confused by those lacking the intelligence to say something other than "I couldn't bring myself to vote Tory". Tory voters are likely to better educated, higher earners and not providers to the state though. Conversely, the 'anyone but' crowd are likely to be net burdens. You can see why state burdens would never want a government in power which promotes self-sufficiency.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 29/05/2017 07:47

The over 60s by and large will make cons victorious whatever the view on social media.

Dh is over £80k so I will speak for us!
Slightly resent paying more income tax because as wc people this is the main/only way we can do better (and because our self employed friends pay v little)
Don't think much of Corbyn. Think his lukewarm remain campaign was catastrophic, think he's not been robust enough on antisemitism. Think some of his ideas are risky and anachronistic.
Dislike the hypocrisy of dianne abbot. E.g. Re schooling.

Still we'll vote lib dem or lab - May, Boris, Davis are the most self-serving And yet incompetent twats this country has ever seen. Everything has been shambolic. Repeating strong and stable does not make it so.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 29/05/2017 07:53

"Only the top 5% need to worry about brexit"

?????

How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

makeourfuture · 29/05/2017 07:59

I realise there's some movement in the last week, but last week was, I think, an exceptional week for obvious reasons.

The poll slippage actually began earlier and accelerated with the release of the disastrous Tory Manifesto. Awful.

No figures at all.
No plan for security.
No plan for Brexit.
Punishment for the poor, disabled and aged.
No real economic growth plans.
No real housing crisis plan.
No sign of debt reduction.

Just more awful failed ideological austerity.

Terrible things no matter how they are viewed.

Sostenueto · 29/05/2017 08:14

What I was trying to say was if you are in the poorer section of society brexit makes no difference to you. What matters is those things that will directly affect you and actually thinking about it I mean the majority not just the poor. The ones which seem to worry more about brexit are those whose material wealth and assets may be affected. When you have little or no assets brexit doesn't matter. You have nothing so brexit can't take away what you don't have. Only those with a lot fear brexit. I fear May having complete power for she surely will insure the have nots have even less and the haves have even more.

Sostenueto · 29/05/2017 08:20

Proud conservative the biggest burden to this country is people like you who view those worse off than you a burden. Thank goodness there's only 5% think like you.

TrickyD · 29/05/2017 08:21

I have voted Labour for years, but will neither vote for them or for our local Consevative candidate because he, and the Parliamentary Labour party, voted Brexit.

So it will be LibDem.

Pity about all the sneering and spite and jealousy towards OP and others.

notquiteruralbliss · 29/05/2017 08:21

Labour. For entirely selfish reasons. A fairer tax regime, good public services, and a sense that there is such a thing as society are massively important to me and worth the extra cost. This time round, I have a chance to vote for for vision of Britain that I support, not just to choose whst appears to be the be the least depressing option. I like Corbyn (he has balls) but I absolutely love what's in the Labour manifesto.

DontFundHate · 29/05/2017 08:25

Absolutely labour, die hard lefties here. I strongly believe that we are very fortunate to be able to afford to pay higher taxes than others, I want to subsidise better, free education for all, the nhs, supporting the elderly. If it was me who needed support I'd bloody well hope someone would help me!

Limitededitionseveninch · 29/05/2017 08:26

DH is over 80k and we will both vote Labour. The NHS has been very good to both us us and our son, we benefited from Labour's "education, education, education" policies and we would like this to continue for future generations.

I'm a teacher and the Tories are genuinely destroying education, and there has been a rise in adolescent mental health (linked to/compounded by educational pressures?) and thanks to cuts, CAMHS are struggling to cope.

To the Proud poster who said that we are likely to be net burdens, I highly disagree. You provide a decent education for people early on in life, they are more likely to work. You provide decent teenage mental health access, they are less likely to require more expensive adult mental health care. You provide community health care and GP services, people are less likely to rely on A&E. There's only so long that you can blame the length of the dole queue/A&E waiting times etc on the people standing in it, and I think very slowly (although it's too late to ensure they get voted out) people are starting to realise that the Tories' meaningless platitudes are concealing that actually, society is in no better state than when they took over in 2010.

DontFundHate · 29/05/2017 08:26

Why are so many people voting lib dem? Genuine question. I used to. But I want to stop the conservatives getting in???

NormHonal · 29/05/2017 08:27

DH's only concern is the tax hike, so he will vote Conservative in spite of being vehemently opposed to Brexit Hmm

I am less selfish more minded to think of "the greater good". Voting Labour where we live is a wasted vote, so it will be LibDem.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 29/05/2017 08:31

Ok so poor people won't be affected by the collapse of care system and rising food prices. Poor people won't be affected by 15% of Nhs workers having second thoughts about being here. Poor people won't be affected by companies and factories upping and moving away. Poor people won't be affected by billions of tax intake from financial services plummeting. Poor people in ni and Gibraltar won't be affected by border disputes.
Oh well that's reassuring to know. Confused

And what on earth do you mean only 5% think like proud conservative? Where is that figure coming from?

TempsPerdu · 29/05/2017 08:33

Both voting Lib Dem, although it's a wasted vote in our Tory/Labour marginal. I do find some of Labour's policies appealing, and wouldn't object to paying more tax to fund them, but they're living in cloud cuckoo land if they think they can deliver all that while implementing Brexit. Just not doable imo.

More worried about the prospect of Diane Abbott as Home Sec than Jeremy Corbyn as PM - but more worried still about five more years of unchecked Tory power and a chaotic, acrimonious Brexit that leaves us much more isolated as a country.

needastrongone · 29/05/2017 08:34

But what is Labours plan for Brexit? Genuine question.

Thing is, to my simple mind, for us to ride out the next few years then business confidence needs to be as strong as it can be. If businesses are unwilling to invest, then the economy cannot succeed and tax revenues reduce. I can't see how Labour can carry out its pledges on a reduced tax revenue without spending even more than it plans to already. And there is a great deal of uncertainty around at present.

Like it or not, big business backs a Tory ideal. I'd like to be reassured that Labour could deliver I guess.

I really think the poorest will be hit the most by Brexit because this is what happens in periods or recession.

I'm really not the expert though. Just musing. I've voted all colours in the past btw.

kaytee87 · 29/05/2017 08:34

dontfundhate I'm voting lib dem because I'm in Scotland and can't stand SNP and would feel guilty if I voted conservative (although I have done before).

needastrongone · 29/05/2017 08:38

Labour could deliver without massive increases in national debt it what I mean, I like their ideal. But not Diane AbbottGrin

RebelandaStunner · 29/05/2017 08:39

Labour even if it means paying more tax for a better society and and less children growing up in poverty.
Whatever we earn, I would never vote Tory.

Redsrule · 29/05/2017 08:41

I will tactically vote Lib Dem to avoid a Tory majority. Strong and Stable has become almost Orwellian in it's irony. The country is falling apart at it's grass roots and we need to help the elderly/long term sick. The idea that some elderly are paying £100s a week extra in care home fees to fund those who are state funded is outrageous. That is a hidden tax this Conservative government have imposed on the most vulnerable.

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