How are you planning to vote if you earn over £80,000

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Just wondering the above really.
I can't stand the conservatives and always assumed I would vote Labour in this election, however with the tax increase over £80k I feel I'd be shooting myself in the foot a bit.
What do others think?

I dunno what lab plan for brexit is but I know the cons had 10 mths and came up with no fecking plan and I want to punish them. I blame Boris and Davis and their millionaire friends at the daily mail for wreaking this havoc on us.

I refuse to believe starmer would be worse than them.

DontFundHate Personally I was torn between Lib Dem and Labour, but as tempting as a tactical anti-Tory vote is my core principles are much more aligned with the LDs than Labour (liberal and vaguely left of centre but pragmatic rather than radical), and I've reached the conclusion that I need to vote for what I actually believe in - if no one votes LD because 'they can't win', then we're forever condemning ourselves to the same old two-party, 'lesser of two evils' system. Ideally I wouldn't want either of the two main parties in power. Despite attractive policies, I also find that Labour have many of the same authoritarian tendencies as the Tories, which puts me off them somewhat.

My Dh is a senior nurse in the NHS. He's worked for 25yrs, is educated to Masters level and still earns just under £40k. His days are incredibly stressful as the service he runs is so under-staffed and under-funded and the demands are enormous. As an ex-nurse (given up for health reasons) I now work full-time as a TA in an LA school - I earn less than £10 ph, and take home less than £12k per year.

We're worse off than we were 10 years ago but we both work harder than we ever did. I hope that high-earning voters take circumstances like ours into account when they're casting their votes. We're both in occupations that really matter but our standard of living is deteriorating year on year. The future under a Tory government for us is bleak.

I don't believe it's the working age high earners who need convincing not to vote cons- it's the huge swathes of baby boomers who will keep May in power.

If you're struggling, vote for someone who will help you; if you're doing okay, vote for someone who will help others. There's no excuse to not vote Labour.

There's no excuse to not vote Labour.

How about - the party is fundamentally divided and the MPs aren't supportive of their leader so the idea that they can deliver on their promises is questionable.

Policy is important, but getting things done is also important.

She is a high earner and we have voted Lib Dem - we are usually Labour, we live in a Tory safe seat, Labour would never win ....Corbyn feels like he's handing out uncosted sweeties, like he's won the lottery - 4 more holidays a year, the railcard nonsense etc I don't believe these are the things we really need. I do think the railways are a disaster, privatisation has never worked properly but I don't think just bringing them back to the state will be a magic solution either - we need some clever thing and a lot more investment. I don't object to us paying more tax - the NHS needs it, Education needs it... I think May should have increased Inheritance Tax to seek with the social care bill more fairly.

Meant dh is a high earner!

4 more holidays a year,

It's not 4 more holidays each is it? It's a national holiday for each of the four countries in the UK. One more day each to celebrate our respective histories.

Sorry my posts have been misunderstood. I am voting labour because the NHS, education and social care, the cost if living and the blanket bombing of innocent people in Syria matter more to me than whether I can travel abroad without a visa, work abroad without a visa, trade with Europe or not etc etc.

Well labour is a joke... so that makes our options pretty clear to us!

Sostenueto

I love a good made-up stat as much as the next woman, but how did you get that 5% figure?

Do you understand the idea of net burden vs net contributor? It's a term with a nice simple meaning. Not a slur.

dotdotdotmustdash

We're worse off than we were 10 years ago but we both work harder than we ever did.

Don't work harder, work smarter.

LabourWillSaveOurKidsFuture

Firstly, Labour will wreck the country, fail to deliver its ridiculous promises and give your children no future whatsoever.

Secondly - "vote for someone who will help others" -, why don't you? I'm doing okay. A vote for Labour will make me worse off. Will you vote to help me or is it only the more successful who need to vote altruistic?

Proud in the interest of balance, and I'm not asking for a bunfight here, what have the Conservatives done/what do they plan to do that will make children's future more secure?

I also hope you're joking with the "work smarter" comment.

Labour or lib dem
But I don't like either
The tax thing is odd though
It is the bloody business people who wang it by fiddling what they earn
If you are paye you are always going to be stuffed

Voting Labour here, it's the right thing to do. If you believe the right wing press then it looks like Corbyn is weak, yet he smashes May every time in PMQ's, but the only time you here about it is if he makes a mistake, and then it's front page news. The same with Diane Abbott, she makes one mistake and it's all over the news for weeks, memes being made on Facebook and everything. Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon was slamming Corbyn's view on terrorism over the weekend, but it was actually something that Boris Johnson had said, and there's been barely a peep. A couple of weeks ago Philip Hammond got the figures wrong for HS2 by a piffling £20 billion, but again, hardly a mention.

Lots of posters on here going on about renationalising the railways and utilities will take us back to the 70's and how terrible it would be and how much it would cost. You do know that Deutsche Bahn, the German Nationalised rail company owns most of our railways, and that EDF, the French Nationalised electricity company own most of our electric, and the list goes on. So what you're saying is, it's alright for foreign governments to own our utilities and infrastructure, and take money out of our country and put it into their own economy? Why can't our government own and run it, and the money we pay can then go back into our economy? We still pay subsidies to the railways FFS of around £5 billion a year, yet we were sold the dream of cheaper and more efficient travel, and no more burden on the taxpayer!

And finally, if you earn over £70,000 a year that puts you in the top 5% of earners in the UK, for which no doubt you work really hard. Well done by the way, I wish I could earn that amount of money, and no I don't think you should be taxed massively more, and if you check out the figures I don't believe you will be. Again, it's just scaremongering by the right wing press. That however means that 95% of the population earn less than £70,000 a year, which by right wing logic means we're all lazy work shy bastards, and if we worked just a bit harder we'd all be earning loads of money! Just think about that for a minute; 95% of the population earn less than £70,000. Whatever company you work for to earn over £70,000 will eventually feel the pinch, because earning £19,000 a year means I'm buying food, petrol and a mortgage only, nothing else. You got tat to sell, I'm not buying; double glazing, fitted kitchens or bathrooms, fidget spinners or some nice cushions from Dunelm, you can keep them, I've got petrol to buy, to get me to the piss poorly paid job I need to house and feed my family.

Now I'm not voting Labour because I'm jealous and want you to earn less - I want the poor (like me) to be able to earn more, and have the opportunity to do so, so that we can go out and buy tat we don't need to help keep business's going, to help the economy for all of us. But you can go and vote Tory because you might have to pay a grand a year more in tax and you don't like Dianne Abbot. Oh, and not forgetting we can carry on selling weapons to he Saudi's whilst turning a blind eye to their funding of terrorism.

I am voting labour because the NHS, education and social care, the cost if living and the blanket bombing of innocent people in Syria matter more to me than whether I can travel abroad without a visa, work abroad without a visa, trade with Europe or not etc etc.

You really can't see that Brexit IS about the NHS and social care and about budgets for education and food prices? You think its just about visas?
Oh well. [lost cause]

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Yes, i did say i had used it

That is the problem OP. People are often Labour voters and full of 'let's all look after each other' views while they are the ones not paying. As soon as there is a suggestion someone has to fund that and it might be them, they don't vote Labour anymore. They want to earn lots and keep it.

If we want a fair and decent society, it has to be paid for. Governments only have access to one source of funding - taxpayers. We should all be prepared to pay a bit more, and those who earn more should pay the biggest bit more.

Whereas, you can be a Tory - as higher earners often are- and believe that the way ahead is to cut services for those who need them most and can least afford them, leave the wealthy with low taxes and they can easily afford to pay for their own needs anyway. In addition, sell off public services to wealthy Tory capitalist pals and allow them to pare them down to the bone and make profit from public services. Haves and have nots.

I agree re the division. I'm also very happy to pay more tax. Indeed, our tax burden has increased significantly under the Tories, and that's perfectly right that it should do so.

I realise I am applying a micro economic situation to a macro one here and that is simplistic, but it is how my mind is thinking and I can't seem to budge that at the minute.

We are high earners. We have a business. The business is 15 years old. Said business was just me and DH. When we could afford to buy stock and employ people we did, we didn't borrow. In fact, we have never borrowed, but we might have grown more quickly if we had I guess, we might have also gone bust in the recession. We are still small, but we have a number of staff, but we treat them very well and look after them.

There's another recession coming. We would like to keep our business and keep our staff, who all have mortgages. I'm just nervous that spending so much in macro economic terms under Labour, just as the economy starts to shrink is a positive thing. The Tories haven't balanced the books and they've stripped everything bare.

I think having another referendum under the LD would cause a lot of anger and resentment too, not what we need right now.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/how-the-nhs-is-being-dismantled-in-10-easy-steps-10474075.html

This is for the PP who wanted to know about privatisation of the NHS.

It started in Thatcher's time and has been continued by both Tory and Labour since. It must stop but I don't see the Tories doing it.

I was under the impression that it was 4 days, so we could each celebrate each other's culture as well as our own - but wtf with Saint's days? Really? We are moving towards a secular society. Is this 'well the Irish do it we should do it too"? St Patrick's Day was always huge because we were given church permission to break lent!

But I have no idea why someone earning under £80k wouldn't vote for Corbyn - all your Christmas's at once along with the big bill afterwards.

Statistics show that austerity measures are not working. Historically Conservative governments = increased deficits. Privatisation has certainly not worked for the consumer. Plus at least the Labour Party attempted to cost their policies. The arrogance of the Conservatives not to bother was very off putting. May might well get an increased majority but she would be a fool to think it is certain and she has certainly upset some of her core voters, the elderly.

Tories borrowing more than ever and delivering less, apart from hardship for many. People can convince themselves all they want that voting Conservative is for the best, but it plainly isn't. Investing in education and the NHS as a % of GDP is down, poverty is up, wages have stagnated and they're blundering towards a hard exit nobody voted for. The election is unnecessary - we should be planning and negotiating Brexit rather than this torrid, expensive waste of time. They've proven themselves unprincipled and any threat of discord from their press results in a change of policy.

But you go on convincing yourselves they're competent.

Labour, despite my misgivings about Corbyn, because they have the best chance of beating the bastard tories in my constituency and their policies make most sense. I'm extremely unhappy about their stance over Europe, though, and prefer torylite the Lib Dems on that one issue.

Oh and also I'm selfish with no thought for how other people who aren't as lucky as us are going to live, and I don't mind paying a miniscule amount of tax now, so it's not possible for me to vote Tory.

I can't imagine losing the NHS and further slashing public services. It's a no brainer for me, so labour. I'm not worried about corporations taking their business abroad as they'll still be paying considerably less in the U.K. than abroad