to be a bit sick of the notion that we need to do things to ensure there is no division of muslim vs other?

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I don't hear about these attacks and then go about the place attacking anyone dressed in Muslim attire?
Why does everyone feel the need to tell us NOT to hate the muslim community?
I see no evidence of anyone actually doing this.
It's quite insulting to be honest. As if, because one man has committed a heinous act I would go around abusing all Muslims.
Give us some credit.

Saint maria. I agree with everything you said. Im almost scared to feel like im having a bad day and look a bit miserable so i over compensate and smile so widely at people they probably think imhigh on somethingand i say hello to Everyone for the same reason even if i am having a rubbish day. I try andbe a good neighbour. Help someone if i see they need it. Because you know if i dont i could be plannig somehing as i would clearly be a terrorist.

I hate walking around with a smile plastered to my face like a freak all because im scarèd people will think badly of me!

Don't agree with this at all. It's pretty well known that ISIS would like to provoke an all out civil war between Muslims and non-Muslims so the sort of reaction like setting fire to a mosque is exactly the sort of response they're looking for. I don't know how you can say someone is not responsible if they provoke a reaction they intended to provoke.

Billsykes A court of law would find the people who set fire to the mosque responsible. You seem to want to give them almost a free pass because they were 'provoked'.

Jolly the vast majority of people aren't thinking that about you, please believe that

Hiding. I k ow its paranoia. But my paranoia gets worse with the attacks. I was talking to some mums at school about it and they said they werent surprised

Or the violence by white people against everyone else every day? I don't see white English people prepared to discuss it.

Flip, if you'd read my thread about what Tom Holland said you'll see that's not true. There has been a long, complicated public debate on British attitudes to race and racism, historical issues like slavery, empire & the holocaust. As a result we've had huge legal changes to prevent things like institutional racism and legislation has changed to make offences involving racism be recognised as more serious. So to say that there's been no discussion on white people committing crimes against other people is not true.

SaintMaria The concept of good and bad is found in every culture, religion, society, and similarly every culture, religion and society believes that they have the best values. I dont see anything wrong with that. So long as you leave me to mine, and I leave you to yours, why does it matter?

That actually goes against what has been the dominant school of thought in the west for the past 20 years (multiculturalism) which says that no cultures are better and more valuable or more right/wrong than others. And that itself has its roots in a long postwar history of self criticism of our own culture and rejection of many of its values.

Will reply to some more posts later, bit busy now.

I wouldn't call it paranoia Jolly, it's understandable but for every one person who does look at you 'that way' there will be 20 who don't and I would hope those people would help you if anything were ever to happen

I would like to think so hiding but after that haopened i walked past 3 people while in tears and not one person even smiled at me. I live in a small village where everyone is normally lovely and see strangers offering each other help on the community facebook page. I often stop and chat with people. But the one time i needed someone to smile ir say are you ok they avoided me like the plague.

Jolly I am so sorry for that.

All I can say is that I might not go up to someone crying for fear of intruding.

Was it this week? Tbh pathetic as it sounds I've been in no state to comfort anyone as it all occured close to my childhood home. Two girls are dead from a small place near where my family live and I just haven't been able to talk to people out and about.

Unfortunately in this ridiculous day and age fear is also construed as racism and islamophobia

No it happened a few weeks ago now. It was just very random.

Sorry. I wish I could offer you a .

There are incidents everywhere sadly as posted above. I wish it wasn't needed to
Say to the general public "don't be a dick" but unfortunately life doesn't work like that.

toy I would report as the proof may be several independent reports.

worth a watch

So if you didn't see it it doesn't happen? Definition of living in a bubble! You could have googled a dozen examples in the time it took you to post this on mumsnet.

@splodgeinc you're right, I should alter my statement. Each culture and society believes it has the best values to bring about a positive change in its way of living, and if a certain value is not bringing that change then it should be reviewed.

Each religion does believe it is the truest of all, and I dont mind if each religion thinks that, so long as they can respect the differences between other religions. As an example, I dont mind if Evangelists or JW think they have to convert me to save my soul, they are after all trying to do me a service in their view. So long as they are not forcing me, I'm happy to listen to their argument.

When religion becomes a culture, and a culture becomes a religion that's when all problems start to arise.

Have you been going around with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears for the last few years OP?

@jollypirates3 i feel the same sometimes, re smiling when having a bad day, but if this makes you more human then we have to do it. We as Muslims need to reach out with more compassion and those who aren't Muslims also need to show compassion. I guess what I'm saying is we all need to be more human and less fearful or wary of eachother, and sometimes it does feel like a tall order, much love to you anyway.

@billsykesdog in theory you may be right, but (for lack of a better way of explaining) the West has always exerted its influence to change the other cultures and mold it in its image, even now. The rise of capitalism is a fairly recent example of this. Each nation's culture is being eroded by adoption of Western culture, because it is presented as the better, cooler, modern culture/way of living. There are countries where speaking English, wearing western clothes locally and eating western food has taken precedence because of the pervasive western media in those countries.

Now personally I dont mind mixing cultures, and adopting the culture of where you are to the extent it doesn't compromise your religion, but the opposite is happening in those countries. So I'd argue that the theory you're mentioning is not working in practice.