to be a bit sick of the notion that we need to do things to ensure there is no division of muslim vs other?

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I don't hear about these attacks and then go about the place attacking anyone dressed in Muslim attire?
Why does everyone feel the need to tell us NOT to hate the muslim community?
I see no evidence of anyone actually doing this.
It's quite insulting to be honest. As if, because one man has committed a heinous act I would go around abusing all Muslims.
Give us some credit.

Anyone else noticed that the spike in hate crimes tends to be burly blokes against women or young girls?

Cowardly fuckers.

There are a lot of racists out there. You are lucky that it's not directed at you, and lucky that you don't even see it on your social media feed (or just v v selective with your friend adds).

*OhNotSoSaintMaria I am so sorry you and your brothers and sisters etc are subjected to so much hate and bile. Your community and faith has lost loved ones too. It is a shame some small minded, uneducated subhumans cant realise this. Its a shame they see all acts of terror and only register "Islam" and nothing else. I saw fear in hijab wearing womens eyes today walking through my busy, mainly white middle class town and I made sure to smile.
Why do people struggle to grasp that there are extremists of all religions/ethnicities/genders? They slate the muslim community at every opportunity but won't pass up on NHS health care from a Muslim doctor/get in a taxi/have a kebab. Bloody fools.

I've heard enough stories from children in primary school that I have worked with about racist incidents they face from strangers.

No doubt some of them will face more incidents after this.

EDL turned up and YESTERDAY morning in Manchester for a 'protest'.

This city is grieving but their need to yell and blame muslims trumped that in their eyes. They couldn't see how they were making people who were already hurt and angry feel a million times worse. Barely 12 hours had passed from the explosion.

Thankfully they were shouted down by Mancunions. I love my city. It is beautifully diverse and multicultural and everyone I know agrees with that. But it'd by naive to believe that everyone felt the same way I do. I just hope the Muslim community know most of this city would defend them.

There's been a hate campaign against the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan. Misquoting him and making up lies.

That should have at least been trending on your FB, as well as some of the attacks on Muslims just going about their business.

OhNotSo can I ask how you feel about people who make a point of smiling or making small talk in the days following an attack like Manchester? My instinct is to do this as a way to sort of offer reassurance that not everyone is a bigot but then I worry that doing so is itself a form of othering or that I'm simply being a patronising idiot Just wondered how it comes across to you and whether you find it annoying rather than friendly, as a PP said I worry a bit that I just look odd!

Yes it's all another conspiracy theory to make us all become hand wringing liberals

It has to be talked about becuase we can't accept hatred and abuse towards anyone in our society

Hiding me to... I wanted to smile, so did, to offer some reassurance. I didnt know if it was the right thing or seem patronising.

OP that's good that you wouldn't dream of doing it.
The truth is that muslims and Asian non-muslims are on the receiving end of racial abuse after these atrocities are comitted. E.g. Group of people "we had better not sit next to her as she may have a bomb on her!" This was directed at 60 year old non Muslim Asian woman that I know who was not wearing headscarf but is wearing jeans.

Yesterday my dh was called a son of a bitch whilst eating his lunch.(visibly Arab). Don't be naive.

It is a beautiful city with beautiful people.

AFAIK a Muslim did tell the police about this young man a few years ago and they did nothing about it.

It happens! More frequently than people think it does too, and that's just the ones who reported it.
Often when Muslims are attacked, it's bigoted men attacking muslim women, not muslim men...I wonder why.
Honestly, I have two friends who wear a hijab (the one that covers the hair) and I do worry for them sometimes because I know they're a bigger target after any attack on us. And when they get on any public transport after these terrorist incidents, I feel sorry for them too, you can feel the atmosphere.
It's scary to think that on top of terrorists targeting us, we're also becoming more and more divided. That scene in Pearl Harbor when after they're attacked a Japanese doctor goes to help and the American who's just been injured shouts at him to go away, it always reminds me of that.

DNiece is 9 years old. This 9 year old child had her teacher explain about the Manchester attack. The teacher told them how the bomber was an idiot, that he was wrong to do what he did...oh and used the terms Islamic State. "Islamic like Muslim Miss?"
Yes, Islamic like Muslim. Muslim like my DNiece, who as she is extremely light skinned, light hair/eyes actually just pretends she is not. My beautiful niece, who is confident and intelligent and funny, is scared to admit she is Muslim for fear of bullying./for fear of being called all those vile things my Dnephew was called when he attended the same school but as he is one of those 'brown Muslims' he was bullied.
So, if these two children were sat in front of you, what would you tell them?
When they ask if I agree with the bomber because I am Muslim and Muslims all kill people because their friend said?
We need to Educate our children so they do not see the divide between religions, that can not happen with segregated communities and seeing Non/Muslims as 'the other'! If we become sick of it already then what hope do we have?
As a pp has put and another added a link...there are hate crimes that are carried out each day. After such an attack I get people want to express their anger at those they see as the problem just as that idiotic bomber knew that his cowardly act would cause the deepest pain by killing children!

The irony is that ISIS also attack other Muslims. They are indiscriminate.
I personally dont understand why in this day and age we need religious dogma of ANY kind. However i dont have any dislike of the devout... im just fed up with so many faiths being blinkered and willing to live by interpretations of ancient books ( bible included. )

Im also fed up with religions being hijacked by extremists

Doesn't IS bear about the same relationship to Islam as the IRA did to Christianity?

Op I have to say my first thought on reading your first post was 'naive, blinkered, no non-White/non British accent friends/family' because if you had any non-White-British people in your circle you would definitely know that racist bigotry has spiked against all non white-British people after an event like this. Although NI Brits could tell you a thing or two as well.

"On the other hand, I would like the British Muslim community to look more inwardly into what it is about their religion that appeals to extremists."

Why only Muslim? ALL religions have been used as an excuse by murderers and cowards. I was just discussing this today with my dd n friends. There's also been political causes used. Christianity has long been used as an excuse to abuse, torture and murder, so has judaism, Sikhism, socialism, communism, capitalism...

Forthemany The people who have lost partners and parents will only receive widowed parents allowance for a shorter time because thats been cut too.

And the ones who have received life changing injuries likely face a fight on their hands for DLA/PIP and repeat merry go round assessments.

I was on the tube with a muslim woman in a hijab this morning and I deliberately smiled at her and had a small chat about the weather. The look on her face and the effort she put in to a really cheery goodbye told me that she had probably had a rough morning full of prejudice and she was genuinely appreciative of my efforts to be friendly. You are being a little naive OP.

Why only Muslim? ALL religions have been used as an excuse by murderers and cowards. I was just discussing this today with my dd n friends. There's also been political causes used. Christianity has long been used as an excuse to abuse, torture and murder, so has judaism, Sikhism, socialism, communism, capitalism...

Erm...Because at the moment the most active and aggressive terrorists are ISIS who are saying that they are acting in the name of Islam and following the true interpretation of the Koran maybe?

Doesn't IS bear about the same relationship to Islam as the IRA did to Christianity?

No, not really because the IRA's terrorism was about territory where as ISIS is about (willful) misinterpretation of Islamic text.

The IRA carried out terrorist actions as do IS. Although the origins of how they were founded, (Long Kesh and Camp Bucca) , the recruitment of young men who have no hope left, the minority religions who thought these organisations offered them some protection, all of these parallels may lead you to think there is no difference...I can not see the misguided, unIslamic, hate spewing IS declaring ceasefire soon!

It's always about power. Always. Whether it's Catholics, communists, Muslims or Tutsis.

Young, poor, disenfranchised men who think they deserve power and don't have enough of it. And they hang that on some ideology.

Listen to the father of the bomber.

His interview is now freely available online