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To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 15:45

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

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Sostenueto · 19/05/2017 00:22

Charm there will not be enough resources to provide 24 hour care in your own home so you will end up in residential care anyway where you will have to sell house and use all your assets up to pay for care . the idea of Mays plan is for one reason only and that us for more people to pay for their care.

Sostenueto · 19/05/2017 00:23

Exactly Loki agreed.

JamieXeed74 · 19/05/2017 00:24

Why should tax payers buy wealthy peoples children an expensive house they have done nothing to earn?

I think a £100,00 floor and a right to live there for life is more than fair for those who need years of very expensive care.

Good on Theresa.

user1471439240 · 19/05/2017 00:25

If the newly assigned owner is named on the utility bills, council tax predominantly for LA checks, then all will be good.
Expect further legalisation to defeat this in future.

Lokisglowstickofdestiny · 19/05/2017 00:28

100k is protected. Currently a person has to fund their social care costs if their savings (which excludes their property) is just over £23k. The proposal is that you will fund these costs if you have more than 100k in assets including your property but the 100k is protected. If you have assets of 300k and your care costs are 250k, the debt to your estate will be 200k.

RockinHippy · 19/05/2017 00:31

YABVU

GardenGeek · 19/05/2017 00:33

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Sostenueto · 19/05/2017 00:36

Well have read repeatedly and it can be interpreted that £100,000 is ring fenced but it Into gonna happen cos it would defeat the object. But I will concede for now but secretly I know I am right. ( smile). I don't have to worry for I shall he dead before I draw my pension lol! And I don't own my own home. Peace to all nite nitexx

Charmageddon · 19/05/2017 00:36

Charm there will not be enough resources to provide 24 hour care in your own home so you will end up in residential care anyway where you will have to sell house and use all your assets up to pay for care . the idea of Mays plan is for one reason only and that us for more people to pay for their care.

No.

You are still misunderstanding this.

You will not have to pay £100k of your assets.
£100k is safe and ring-fenced.

The state will take the rest, yes, but you will have £100k left untouched to pass on.

The house will not be sold until you are dead, or until your spouse is dead.

Lokisglowstickofdestiny · 19/05/2017 00:38

user no that isn't necessarily so, just putting the bills in the other persons name won't help. If the local authority suspects the property was given away to avoid care costs they can and do investigate going back beyond 7 years (which in only relevant for IHT purposes). They will look to prove that you could reasonable foresee the need for care for example. There are plenty of fact sheets available from various bodies about this. And I can see a further tightening of the rules going forward.

Oswin · 19/05/2017 01:01

Is everyone ok with the putting disabled people to work bit?

Lokisglowstickofdestiny · 19/05/2017 01:19

I've only quickly read through the document but I can see an employers incentivisation scheme to take on disabled employees and the aim to get 1m disabled people into employment over 10 years (pg57). On the face of it that sounds reasonable as they are pledging additional support and more use of flexible working. As long as that means not forcing individuals who really can't work into employment I don't have an issue with it. The devil is of course in the implementation.

Raggydolly3 · 19/05/2017 02:59

Yep a great manifesto Hmm
Can't wait for all the disabled people who come into the charity I work for come in to get referrals for food parcels because they can't afford heating and food.
Can't wait for yet another increase in disabled people reporting hate crime after being referred to as scroungers yet again
Can't wait for a mother to be in tears because they have taken away her mobility car so she can no longer take her daugher who is in a wheelchair and on oxygen 24 hours a day out
Can't wait for the disabled person who comes in and says they have lost their job as they can't claim access to work any more due to having their PIP taken away
Can't wait for the sucide attempts referrals and safeguarding alerts I have to make to the mental health team and social services because someone has some in to the office had had their PIP cut and being forced back into work when they can't
Can't wait for more people to come in the office after they have been for their PIP assessment and been refused because they could pick up a pencil, or been told they can't possibly have mental health issues as they wear lipstick (true storys)
I ended up with a disability out of the blue when I was diagnosed with epilepsy at 25. I lost my job and could not work for three years as I was having 15+ seizures a day.
Maybe just ask yourself if you and your partner find yourself disabled could you cope with losing your job, paying your mortgage and other bills or would you have to relay on welfare. The day may come when you need it and it may not be there.
I saw a few week ago a couple come in to where I work who had been in a car crash, she ended up in a wheelchair and he had an aquired brain injury. They had lost their very good jobs and had to sell their house and now live in a council house that has not been adapted struggling to make ends meet.

The women said she could never imagine being in the position that they were in now having to relay on welfare and she had heard disabled people in the news saying how bad it was but she had never quite believed them. They were of the mind that it will never effect us- then it did in the most brutal way.
Another thing I also see time and time again is a partner becoming disabled and the other having to give up work to care for them. People mistakenly think if that happened to me I could get people in or get a budget, yes you could but it would not cover half of what you need now the independent living fund has gone and would you really want a stranger wiping your backside.
All I am saying that before you vote maybe instead of looking at the "what I have now" maybe just think about the "what if this happened to me or someone I love"

Raggydolly3 · 19/05/2017 03:05

On the face of it the employers incentive scheme is a great idea but in reality from what we have seen from the torys so far it will mean forcing disabled people who can't work into jobs.
Also what kind of jobs are we taking about? If it is going to be something suited to that persons skills and experience then great but if it's going to be jobs like packing biscuits or boxes then not so much.
Before anyone jumps on me there is nothing at all wrong with those jobs it's just I would hate to see someone with a disability who had great experience and qualifications in a certain field being told all they can do is a job packing biscuits.

Raggydolly3 · 19/05/2017 03:16

Also just one more
Disability Facts and Statistics

According to a recent study, most people estimate they have only a 16% chance of becoming disabled during their working years1 – in spite of the following startling facts2:

If you’re under age 35, chances are one in three that you will be disabled for at least six months during the course of your career.
Men have a 43% chance of becoming seriously disabled during their working years.
Women have a 54% chance.
Also sudden disability is responsible for 50% of house repossessions

user1471441738 · 19/05/2017 03:32

For me, their economic incompetence should make them unelectable.

To remind everyone, they were elected two elections ago on a promise to balance the books in one term. 7 years of being in power later, and they now need LONGER to manage it than they did in 2010.

Despite painful cuts to those least able to cope and the huge damage to the NHS, they've missed every target and have now borrowed more than every Labour government put together.

They've somehow managed to persuade the majority that they are the ones to trust on the economy.

Ylvamoon · 19/05/2017 03:34

I'm getting tired of this debate... if you don't like it, don't vote for it!

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/05/2017 06:25

Charm there will not be enough resources to provide 24 hour care in your own home so you will end up in residential care anyway where you will have to sell house and use all your assets up to pay for care

No you won't. You get to keep £100k which is a lot more than it is now!

MyGastIsFlabbered · 19/05/2017 06:31

Can I just post this here to remind everyone that politicians will say ANYTHING to get elected. Doesn't mean it'll happen.

To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?
makeourfuture · 19/05/2017 06:33

No.Brexit.Plan.

makeourfuture · 19/05/2017 06:35

Nothing. A Brexit vacuum.

A leadership vacuum.

Peregrina · 19/05/2017 06:55

Raggydolly3 - thanks for that posting. A timely reminder if we can't find it in ourselves to have compassion for others then at the very least we should think 'there but for the grace of God go I'.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/05/2017 07:00

Nothing. A Brexit vacuum.

What's Labours Brexit plan then?

makeourfuture · 19/05/2017 07:19

Jeremy has spoken at length about Brexit, and requirements for a successful Brexit.

First of all business needs stability. Assuring businesses that their EU workers will be able to continue staying in the country. That it is the morally correct thing is a given. But it is of utmost importance to business.

This will allow Britain also to negotiate a beneficial relationship in regards to the common market so that we aren't set adrift with nothing but slogans. Or worse end up holding Trump's hand.

makeourfuture · 19/05/2017 07:23

But perhaps most important is transparency. We, and especially business, need to know what we are getting into. That way we can make plans. For instance we must assure in regards to human rights.

Why are the Tories always attacking human rights?