Non Binary / Gender Neutral

[MissBax]

Okay so I know this may spark some serious debate. I just want to say that I really don't want to offend ANYONE, however AIBU to say that the whole non Binary trend (for want of a better word) is getting abit out of hand??
If someone was born a man and chooses to transition to a woman or vice versa I understand that, but to say you don't identify as having a gender... I just don't understand it?! I am female but have never been girly - I didn't have dolls, I despise pink, and I always played football with the guys, climbed trees and was very sporty. But I'm still a girl. I know boys who didn't necessarily like "boyish" things but they're still boys. Any girl or boy can like anything they like.
Now we have "non binary" people who SAY they don't identify as one gender or the other, yet some of them are born female, wear make up and dresses. So following typically "girly" or "feminine" characteristics. Or those who have a sex change and THEN say they're non binary?! So then why have the sex change?!
AIBU to think this is just another way to ruffle people's feathers and possibly attention seeking?
(I wait in anticipation for being called ignorant and a biggot etc...)

"I'm a full-on, yoghurt-knitting, tree-hugging lefty btw. And it still fucks me off." hehe me too!

I think I must have missed something - what's a furry or otherkin?!?! 😕

The day I refer to myself as 'otherkin' is the day I know I've lost the plot.

Yes its crap. Everyone is gender neutral.

A furry dresses up in a furry animal suit thing and Ids as a furry, ive seen a documentary about folk IDing as dogs its all very odd

"People are "allowed" to do whatever they want as long as they are not hurting anyone. Society isn't their mum."

Actually this professor thinks otherwise. It's actually a really interesting discussion on chaos and order - between a philosophy prof and a well known transwoman.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e_V9_j4dVuY

This is also a recently written piece from someone who classed themselves as SJW but came to have concerns with how authoritarian the activists have become.

medium.com/@KeriSmith/on-leaving-the-sjw-cult-and-finding-myself-1a6769b2f1ff

I don't think it really helps to pick up on some extremes of sexuality. There has always been the man who likes to imagine sex with a dog or wants to be whipped whilst wearing babies' nappies or whatever.

The trans issues is fairly simple - treat everyone as we would like to be treated, no need to be massively PC about it however and above all remember there are not many trans people but there are huge numbers of women and we are discriminated all the time and that latter much bigger class should prevail in terms of resources devoted and issues to deal with.

MrsJayy

When I was about... 8 (?) I once went to school as a rabbit (for the school's carneval/fancy dress we had once a year). The year before I was a lion :)
Idk, dressing up in an animal suit seems rather fine. But... thinking that they actually are animals?

Some other personality types genders...

And i can understand why young people (especially girls) would rather be seen as gender neutral and perhaps it will at least make everyone aware and discuss the stereotypes and expectations each sex is expected or coerced into adopting and make folk just start asking why!

What's ridiculous is all the many gender labels, the constant demands, the smug superiority often towards the uneducated, sheep like majority (us) who they see just plodding on unaware and happy to live our little stereotyped lives.

Terfing Some of these symbols are One looks a bit like a deer.

Ah great, someone's brought out the laundry instructions!!

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I thought transgender people identified at the opposite gender and not just no gender. I have to be honest I'm very confused about the whole thing. I don't think because I'm a woman I must do x y and z. I just think I'm me I'll do what I like (law abiding obvs) I identify as a woman in filling out forms, passport etc but that doesn't mean i feel I have to act a certain way.

Stickthat I think that's how 90% of the world feel, except it's now a 'thing' with a label.

Beyond you made me snort and I'm at my desk!

I saw this on Twitter the other day...

Do people sit on wee committees thinking these up? Who decides?

*I'd be fully behind a movement that declares all people are gender-neutral. Because we are - gender is defined by society, by historical period, by geography, politics and all sorts. It has no basis in biology.

The problem I have with the current gender-neutral stuff is that they seem to define themselves against everyone else, who must then by definition by gender-positive. I'm not, and I don't appreciate being told I am. Their calls for inclusiveness are intrinsically exclusive.*

This exactly. Surely if you have to talk about gender as being real- then we are all non binary. I wonder if we all started saying this (Mums, dads, grans etc) - all of the he current non binary lot would find a new identity.

Terfing no joke, I could probably only name two Pokemon. Maybe that means I'm out?

Exactly, Terfing, I've never seen a convicing explanation of how modern gender definitions differ from actual personality traits.

You can click on the links on this page and be taken to (as far as I can tell) genuine descriptions of gender identities such as blizzgender and caprigender. What on earth these have to do with societally-imposed sex-based behavioural expectations is beyond me.

It used to be star signs, now it's genders. It's just people trying to classify themselves IMO, confusing identifying with with identifying as. I did it as a teen. Most of us probably did something similar. We all want(ed) to be special.

Just a thought - if you mentally substitute 'personality' for 'gender' in this context, I think it all becomes a lot clearer.

Personality-fluid etc.

But seriously - if non binary and other similar labels become lawfully recognised with legal protections (as has happrned in Oregon) thrn you will have male and female bodied people classed as the same. How will this work in regard to sports, prison, maternity protections etc. Will it confuse current protective legislation based on sex.

It's what young people do.
When I was a teen everyone said they were bisexual. It was cool to be bi.
Now we are adults a few are bi of course but most no longer are and it was a phase.
The problem with this is that laws are changing to the detriment of women and girls to placate these gender identities.
Homosexuality is not comparable. That's who you love it's not trying to pretend to be something you are not.

How does someone who is NOT non binary express themselves?

Through their personality. But the concept of personality is so passé these days. Everyone has a personality, how can one feel special merely by having a personality.