Non Binary / Gender Neutral

[MissBax]

Okay so I know this may spark some serious debate. I just want to say that I really don't want to offend ANYONE, however AIBU to say that the whole non Binary trend (for want of a better word) is getting abit out of hand??
If someone was born a man and chooses to transition to a woman or vice versa I understand that, but to say you don't identify as having a gender... I just don't understand it?! I am female but have never been girly - I didn't have dolls, I despise pink, and I always played football with the guys, climbed trees and was very sporty. But I'm still a girl. I know boys who didn't necessarily like "boyish" things but they're still boys. Any girl or boy can like anything they like.
Now we have "non binary" people who SAY they don't identify as one gender or the other, yet some of them are born female, wear make up and dresses. So following typically "girly" or "feminine" characteristics. Or those who have a sex change and THEN say they're non binary?! So then why have the sex change?!
AIBU to think this is just another way to ruffle people's feathers and possibly attention seeking?
(I wait in anticipation for being called ignorant and a biggot etc...)

Dd1 was Emo as a teenager kid of tumblr it was all so serious and dramatic Which she grew out of, but I agree with a pp this non binary is being encouraged and accomodated and I think it will affect these kids mental health teenagers need to experiment teenagers need to find their tribe however being male /female is fixed imo

Also parents are declari ng they are bringing up their children gender neutral wtf is that about I saw Russel Brand bumping his gums about bringing their Dd up gender neutral i just thought ooo shush your face.

The inability to understand the concept that gender is on a spectrum rather than binary and the inability to appreciate that sex (genitals) and gender don't always correlate and the inability to differentiate between sex, gender and sexuality doesn't make the trans community null and void or made-up or snowflakes. Oh and they're not perverts and their parents aren't child abusers.

Depends whether they mean - bringing up without stereotypes (e.g. Boys MUST play and enjoy watching football) or bringing up so no one knows their sex. I suspect it's the second though :(

Everyone is a special and unique snowflake. Just like everybody else

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Oh and gender services in the UK will not prescribe cross hormones to children. Neither will they perform surgery. So put your Daily Mail down and educate yourself.

If no one knows if a child is a boy or a girl, does that matter?

Yes - there are times it does matter, but most of the time, do you need to know if someone is a boy or a girl, male or female?

I'd be fully behind a movement that declares all people are gender-neutral. Because we are - gender is defined by society, by historical period, by geography, politics and all sorts. It has no basis in biology.

The problem I have with the current gender-neutral stuff is that they seem to define themselves against everyone else, who must then by definition by gender-positive. I'm not, and I don't appreciate being told I am. Their calls for inclusiveness are intrinsically exclusive.

I don't think the op was about trans but non binary trend so not 1 or t'other im not totally without empathy to human beings, however i still think instead of embracing individuality and letting people be who they are, we are expected to deny gender which I think might be harmful.

And gender neurtralising babies is just silly bring up babies the way you want but they are either boys or girls,

FlOella What about the inability to understand that gender is entirely a societal construct and that what is considered 'masculine or feminine' differs from culture/society even today?

May I ask for your definition of gender without resorting to stereotypical gender/sex roles and interests?

Wonder if the 'non-binary' women would take maternity leave? It's a women's right to take maternity but as you don't identify as female then....

t's a women's right to take maternity but as you don't identify as female then

Then they should be able to take parental leave to look after a baby?

Parental leave is unpaid and different to maternity leave.

I wonder what goes on in the head of someone who decides to get pregnant, and then rocks up to the maternity department declaring they're actually a man and will consider being referred to as female an assault / hate crime?
Pregnancy is the absolute epitomy of womanhood. Someone who feels they're being forced by an accident of nature to live in the wrong body and feels repulsed by it could surely not contemplate it?
Will be probably be arrested deleted now for hate crime...

I'd be fully behind a movement that declares all people are gender-neutral. Because we are - gender is defined by society, by historical period, by geography, politics and all sorts. It has no basis in biology.

I agree.

What fucks me off is nb/genderfluid types who bang on about feeling girly one day and masculine the next so dress and act 'accordingly'. I don't think they realise the damage they do or the harmful stereotypes they reinforce with their trousers = masculine, heels and lipstick = feminine bullshit.

Also, I've had conversations with people who decry cultural appropriation very, very passionately. When I ask them why cultural appropriation is not on, but gender/sex appropriation is, they either can't answer of mutter flusteredly that it's 'different'.

I'm a full-on, yoghurt-knitting, tree-hugging lefty btw. And it still fucks me off.

Oh, and I couldn't give a tiny shit about the way anyone lives their lives. I'm bisexual, I have a gay daughter, one of my best friends is a fully transitioned transwoman. Just don't think that wearing trousers one day and a skirt the next makes you 'non binary'. It's just called getting dressed.

My mind is blown by that Reddit thread. The OP is a furry and has a 'fursona'. Then someone tries very earnestly to explain the difference between otherkin and furry:

There are a couple different levels of personal identity. Furry and otherkin work on different levels. On the lowest, basest level, there's what you are. Then above that, there's who you are, and above that, it's what you do. The bottom level holds stuff like 'male', 'human', 'short', or in this case, 'otherkin'. The middle level is more changeable stuff, like 'mother', 'kind', 'blond' or whatever. 'Furry' could fit here as well. The top level is based on experience and preference, like 'golfer' or 'student'. 'Furry' could also fit here for those with a more casual approach.

I think what they're trying to get at is that the bottom level = biological reality, but then they chuck otherkin into that category and I got a bit lost. Oh, and I don't 'identify' as a mother, I am one. I have given birth to 3 children. We say 'biological mother/birth mother' about women who give their children up for adoption - they're still mothers because they have carried and birthed children.

There are endless amounts of personality types, which is fine. However, there are only two types of biological sex. The problem is that some people are connecting their personality type to their biological sex, which is damaging and wrong.

Near every person in the world is actually 'non-binary' as its extremely rare to just be a walking fuckton of sex steretotypes tbh.

But those who want to be special have to assume that the majority of other people ARE just walking stereotypes else their special-ness is not actually special at all.

Load of self-indulgent twaddle.

Quote of the thread that self indulgent twaddle indeed

It's all got very silly, there seems to have to be a label for however you dress and act. Biological sex determines certain things about us (babies, erections, strength etc.) but beyond that it should be 'do what you want'.

I could probably describe myself as 'demi-sexual', but I don't because the concept of such a label is ridiculous.

Dunno MrsJayy, I quite like "walking fuckton of sex steretotypes"

HA 😂