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This thread is about Trump. You didn't hear it from me. Trump cont

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Orlantina · 16/05/2017 19:50

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PerkingFaintly · 18/05/2017 17:39

Don't plant a jacaranda unless you have a space you don't mind being splatted! I love them, but the blooms are messy.

What you say is very interesting. I haven't been studying him that long, but agree that he'd be delighted to run away, given the chance.

I don't think his ego will obstruct him from quitting to avoid being impeached, because his habit of creating his own truth will protect him from properly understanding the situation.

He has two internal narratives: himself as hero, and himself as victim. So he will heroically turn the tables on his persecutors by stalking off the stage, and this will be a "win" against the Bad Guys. Don't look for the logic: there isn't any.

He is also, of course, protected by not having any understanding of how other people see the world and therefore would view him. And by not understanding there could ever be consequences for him - there never have been before.

NaiceBiscuits · 18/05/2017 17:50

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BiglyBadgers · 18/05/2017 18:10

Would someone be able to explain why she is so hated?

She is part of the establishment in that she has been in government for ever. This also means she has a lot of history in power that people can easily pick apart and decisions people can find fault with. She is heavily linked with big business and banks in a way that people also disliked. These were basically the arguments against her from liberals and those on the left and were valid concerns before Trump came along. Once you put her against Trump these criticisms seem a bit thin to be honest. I certainly Hmm at anyone who claims they are worse than anything Trump as done.

Mostly, I think it is something to do with chromosomes and the lack of a dangly thing between her legs. A black man in power was bad enough, but a woman, and a democrat! God help us, they'll be wanting equal pay next!

AcrossthePond55 · 18/05/2017 18:13

We have acreage, Perking, and it wouldn't be planted over any type of paving or patio. My next door neighbour had one growing up and it made a mess of their driveway! They're just so beautiful.

Naice, not for resigning per se unless he nicked the silver on his way out. Wouldn't put it past him. It wouldn't stop any prosecution for misdeeds whilst in office. I think it would be the humiliation that will stop him. At this point I think it's too late to walk away without shit on his shoes. Everyone will know he resigned to avoid being impeached, just as everyone knew it about Nixon. Something tells me that Trump will fight, scheme, and lie until the bitter end. TBH if I were 'someone who knew something' I'd be heading for the hills to avoid defenestration right now! And I'm only half kidding there.

As a life long politician, Nixon understood that he'd 'crossed the Rubicon' politically with Watergate. He knew that there was no going back, it was resign or be impeached and go to prison for him. He knew he'd live the rest of life as 'disgraced former president' Richard Nixon. But he also knew that he'd leave a bit of a legacy in foreign policy, the EPA, and Civil Rights, so he was 'content' to go. I know we aren't there with Trump (yet) but I honestly don't think he will have that 'lightbulb moment' and he will know that he will leave a legacy of nothing but lies and corruption. If he resigns, it'll have to be if he can see it as an "I'll take my ball and go straight home, you don't deserve me!!!" thing, not an "Oh shit, I better get the hell outta here before I go to jail!!" thing.

cozietoesie · 18/05/2017 18:17

Maybe those breakfast tweets were preparatory?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 18:19

I saw that across and thought it was interesting. A link to the video can be found here:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_591d1c53e4b094cdba511035

hackmum · 18/05/2017 18:19

Acrossthepond: " This time he'd be shamed before the entire world because everyone would know that he was quitting to avoid being impeached (i.e. quitting in shame). I don't know if his ego will permit that or if it will force him to fight to the bitter end."

This is why I think the Republicans will find a graceful way out for him. Impeachment would be humiliating for him and risky for them - they wouldn't be guaranteed the 2/3 majority. So I think they may say, Look, Trump, if you resign on the grounds of ill health we'll make sure you don't get prosecuted and we'll give you a nice pension. Or something similar.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 18:20


Mike Giglioo react-text: 22425 /react-text @mike*giglioo_

BREAKING: US official confirms to @BuzzFeedNewss_ that the US-led Coalition hit Assad regime forces with air strikes in southern Syria today

Ted Lieuu @tedlieu*
If true, this is FRICKIN ILLEGAL. Trump does not have Congressional authorization to attack Syria, a country that has not attacked US.

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 18/05/2017 18:21

Re. hatred of Clinton, ChooChoo - as Bigly says, a large part of it is good ol' fashioned common or garden misogyny.

But she was also Hawkish on defence, and the Republicans were able to spin this as "she'll take us to war in Syria" (unlike trusting a man with the mental capacity of a rather dim, unusually temper-tantrum prone toddler with the nuclear codes - that was a great idea, wasn't it?) There was also the lingering whiff of nepotism and political dynasty building (only there because Bill had been president before her). And then there was the private server - again, the Republicans were able to spin this as being much worse than it was.

Then there were the things she failed to do, and near the top of that list I'd say was failing to connect with the black vote. I have talked to black friends in the US who've said they perceive her as being either ineffectual on race, or in fact read both the Clintons as kind of laissez-faire, under the radar (as opposed to in your face) racists. Even if this is not a representative sample (and as a white Brit I am not in a position to comment), the published stats certainly show that it wasn't so much that Trump got more of his supporters out to vote, but that Hillary got less of hers out, and that fall-off in voting numbers was particularly pronounced in the black community.

I also know a few democrats who said they couldn't bring themselves to vote for her (see reasons above about Republican disinformation over hawkishness, e-mail server etc.) and voted independent. One friend who did vote for her, who always volunteers on election day to drive registered voters to polling stations if they can't get there themselves told me she knew things were going tits up for the Democrats by early afternoon, because she hadn't had anyone take her up on the offer of a lift ("ride") to the polling station - normally she'd have done a half a dozen or so runs by that stage.

NaiceBiscuits · 18/05/2017 18:22

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GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 18:26

The Hill‏Verified account
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US forces bomb Assad-aligned militia in Syria hill.cm/aCW0pSW

PerkingFaintly · 18/05/2017 18:28

If he resigns, it'll have to be if he can see it as an "I'll take my ball and go straight home, you don't deserve me!!!" thing, not an "Oh shit, I better get the hell outta here before I go to jail!!" thing.

This.

PerkingFaintly · 18/05/2017 18:31

Oh that sounds lovely, Across: a jacaranda bringing a splash of that gorgeous colour to a huge plot. Hope it does turn out to be the right cultivation zone for you.

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 18:34

Michael Isikoff‏Verified account @Isikoff 3h3 hours ago
Exclusive: Trump sends private message to embattled Flynn: "Stay strong" www.yahoo.com/news/investigators-circled-flynn-got-message-trump-stay-strong-145442727.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 18:35

I cannot believe he is STILL maintaining this:


POLITICOO react-text: 24990 /react-text @politico*

.@VP Pence stands by claim he didn’t know about Flynn lobbying investigation

AcrossthePond55 · 18/05/2017 18:36

Thanks for the link, cozie!

AcrossthePond55 · 18/05/2017 18:45

I think Pence is trying to brush the Trump-shit off his own shoes to be able to insure a 'smooth transition of power' a la Nixon to Ford. I think we're going to be seeing much less of him until this settles. The GOP is going to want to keep him out of the limelight fallout as much as possible. Plausible Deniability is going to be the by-word for his 'handlers'.

The Dems are going to have a hard time; "Pence or Ryan, Ryan or Pence. Who is going to do less damage to our country until the next election?".

I have simply GOT to stop all this hopeful thinking. Breathe, Across, stop putting all those eggs in your basket. Stop trying to put the cart before the horse. Relax, re-center, patience.

cozietoesie · 18/05/2017 18:46

Is it now that Rosenstein is meeting the Senate in closed door mode?

cozietoesie · 18/05/2017 18:47

I bet Sarah is still sitting by her phone. Wink

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 18:48

Pence stands by claim he didn’t know about Flynn lobbying investigation

Ah, so he's going with "I'm inept" as opposed to "I'm complicit." Can't say it's much of an improvement.

cozietoesie · 18/05/2017 18:50

He's the Republican dream-ticket - they'll protect him.

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 18:51

Sahil Kapur‏Verified account @sahilkapur 5m5 minutes ago
Joe Lieberman emerges as frontrunner for FBI post, per Politico. politi.co/2qBcjFN

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 18:52

Lieberman is in his 70s and this is a 10 year position. He's also firmly aligned with Trump.

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 18:58

New York Daily News‏Verified account @NYDailyNews 2h2 hours ago
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JUST IN: Flynn not cooperating with Senate committee; Trump reportedly told him to “stay strong” nydn.us/2rviCL7

What a complete shit show.

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 18:59

Andrea Bernstein‏Verified account @AndreaWNYC 40s40 seconds ago
Donald Trump Jr. goes to Dubai, meets with billionaire business partner to discuss "new ideas" www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-18/donald-trump-jr-dubai-business-partner-discuss-new-ideas … via @business

Convenient how it coincides with Daddy Trump's trip.