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AIBU?

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to feel very uncomfortable with neighbour's drone filming habits?

133 replies

WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 07:45

We have relatively new neighbours - moved in to rental house next door less than a year ago, husband and wife, about 50 yrs old, work long hours, he works shifts, quiet and friendly enough. All fine and we were relieved that they turned out to be nice because let's face it, it is always a gamble with new neighbours (we lived next to a nasty one many years ago and the experience was horrid and unforgettable).

The new neighbour (the man) is a hobby wildlife photographer and has a Facebook page, which he invited me to follow, and I do because he is nice and his photos are lovely. He has recently bought a drone that can film in very high quality and travel very long distances. He put his first bit of footage on his facebook page. It filmed from his garden out over the fields behind our houses and back, showing our house and back garden very clearly. That made me feel a bit weird, because we like our privacy, and suddenly random people on social media got a view of a bit of our lives, you know?

Since then he has been using it out the back, presumably practicing with it. We have seen it flying around in the field behind our houses. A couple of evenings ago we were having our usual coffee in the conservatory and the drone was hovering at and then flying past the very end of our garden. We obviously don't know whether he was capturing us (sat in our window) in that footage but it felt uncomfortable because, as said above, we like being private and don't like feeling like we are now potentially on display as we do our normal private things at home.

We haven't mentioned either thing to him because it is awkward. We and easygoing, avoid conflict, and good neighbourly relations make a big difference to having a happy life! 😄 Yes, that makes us sound like saps but it is just that we have reached that stage in life where we can't be doing with other people's nonsense 😄

This morning, though, I have felt quite upset by the drone thing. I got up at 6 and went out in my dressing gown to let the chickens out, as usual, and found that the drone was directly above the middle of our garden!! I stood there staring at it until it flew away and he landed it next door, so am guessing he could see me on his display screen. AIBU to feel intruded upon? I do not want to have to make sure I am decent just to walk through the back of my house (windows at the back have no blinds and are not overlooked by anyone). We have 3 kids, two of whom are still young enough to happily wander around the house and garden partially clothed, and in the summer often wander around naked. We really like living in a house and location where we are not overlooked, not because we do anything weird or illegal 😄 but because we are just private people. This situation is very uncomfortable. Am still pondering what to do about it, whether to go talk to him about how it feels, or post a message to him throgh his facebook page the coward's option or what? I believe what he is doing is not within the bounds of the law because he is 'filming a person within 50 metres without consent'.

Don't need this crap. And I know some of the other neighbours, who are also having their back gardens captured on film, would not react so passively.

Any thoughts on handling this sensibly? I don't think I should write FUCK OFF in white stones on my lawn, not yet anyway!

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WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 13:48

cookiefiend I agree, he probably isn't thinking it through.

And I am rarely that decent! Today I was wearing a dressing gown but was naked underneath it so he was lucky he didn't see too much!

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melj1213 · 16/05/2017 13:51

YANBU to not want this guy's drone on your property, YABU to make a big deal out of it.

Just go round and politely ask him not to fly the drone over your house/garden ... if he escalates things or is unreasonable, it's at that point that you need to start thinking about more drastic responses. For all you know he's perfectly reasonable, just oblivious to how it might make you uncomfortable to have the drone hovering around and so just needs it pointing out so he can stop.

"Hi DroneFan! Can you please not fly your drone over our property in future? I saw your drone in our garden as I was feeding our chickens this morning and felt uncomfortable at being watched on my own property. I'm sure it was unintentional but please don't do it again. Thanks!"

Chanadhal · 16/05/2017 13:51

No it's not Chestervase1, it's a common misconception. The relevant law regarding CCTV is the data protection act and the DPA does not apply to private individuals.

confuugled1 · 16/05/2017 13:54

I would ask him to take down the film (or indeed any film, there may be others he has that he hasn't yet put on facebook or elsewhere) that shows any of your house or garden, or at least to crop that bit from the film.

I would also do some googling around your postcode/area name/road name/drone/film/footage/etc. It's amazing what comes up and you might discover he has more films (or that others have) - I was really shocked when I did it for where we live!

N0tNowBernard · 19/05/2017 10:15

OP, what happened with this?

WelliesAndPyjamas · 20/05/2017 08:28

Update

So I calmed down a bit after a few hours. But have not stopped checking the skies near the house for a drone 😄 Paranoia starts this way!

DH spotted the drone yesterday, going past the end of the garden in the back field, so took the opportunity for a chat with neighbour. DH handled it very well, keeping it calm but getting the message across. Showed an interest in the guy's new 'toy' etc. He explained to him that I had felt weirded out by having it right over my head when I was out in only my dressing gown the other day, and that we were concerned about the kids being out in the garden playing and them ending up on social media. The neighbour was apologetic and basically a bit naive, i.e. hadn't thought beyond the joy of playing with the drone! It sounds like the guy had genuienly never thought through any of the repurcussions of what he was doing.

So, as we stand now, we are in a stronger position if he ever does it again (or if we ever witness him doing it again!). And, whilst I expect he will avoid me out of embarassment for a while, it is likely I will bump in to him in the near future. If that happens, I plan to mention that I felt upset by it and was worried because we have no nets over the bathroom window or the younger kids' bedroom, and leave him with that thought.

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Ikillallplants · 20/05/2017 09:45

I wonder what the law would be if he did accidentally get footage of children running around the garden in the nude? Would it count as making indecent images of children?

WelliesAndPyjamas · 20/05/2017 10:22

I don't know but it is an interesting point. The google street view images blur identifiable (and 'indecent'?) features of people and property but I assume they have some legal standing for being out there filming in the first place Hmm

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Ikillallplants · 20/05/2017 10:41

Thinking about it he wouldn't have had the mens rea but it could lead to a very uncomfortable few hours in a police station and possibly having to declare it when applying for visas etc.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 21/05/2017 08:53

He was buzzing about over the field and everyone's gardens again last night Hmm DH just stood out in our garden the whole time, arms crossed, watching it, making aure he was visible and filmed Grin He bumped in to the neighbour the other side of mr drone yesterday. He isn't too impressed with it either, rolled his eyes, and didn't understand why a grown man was out playing with toys all the time Grin

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UpLighter · 21/05/2017 09:38

If you haven't already have a read of dronesafe.uk/drone-code/

If he is using the footage for commercial gain then he needs to be CAA authorised. If it is just a hobby then not but still needs to follow rules.

If you feel he isn't following the rules then the next step is police who will review the footage from Facebook as part of the investigation.

It is perfectly acceptable to expect all drone/UAV operators to follow the rules, like many in society it is the few that ruin it for the many.

Referring to it as a grown man playing with a 'toy' is rude and dismissive though. If he is a pro then it is his tool, like any other job. Or it is a hobby. Do you not just do anything for fun?

AwaywiththePixies27 · 21/05/2017 09:50

I'm pretty sure he's not even allowed to fo this anyway.

An old friend used to say to me "its always best to grasp the nettles Pixies".

So I'd say grasp those nettles and go round and speak to him about it matter of factly. I wouldn't be inviting him round for a coffee before you tell him. He's not a child who needs placating, he's a grown man. Just in a I don't mind the drone but please font film in my garden. Nothing mean about that.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 21/05/2017 09:53

All I'm saying is. There's a reason that your own DCs school have to seek written permission off you for taking and sharing photos of your DC on social media.

Inertia · 21/05/2017 10:00

Do you have an email address for him, or can you make private message contact via his facebook page?

Given that he is still filming in your garden even after the conversation, I would put it in writing that he does not have your permission to film your garden or house, and that you wish to re-iterate your concerns that he could film your family, including your children, in a state of undress. I would also provide a link to the regulations.

I would also contact facebook about the possibility removing the video with your house and garden, as the person who posted is in breach of the law relating to drones.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 24/05/2017 07:44

uplighter it was the neighbour who rolled his eyes and referred to a grown man playing with his toy. I do lots of things for fun but privately, not above my neighbour's garden 😄 The previous reference to the drone as a toy (when I recounted dh's conversation with him upthread) was quoting the neighbour himself. Apologies if I wasn't clear enough.

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WelliesAndPyjamas · 24/05/2017 07:45

i.e. the other neighbour, on the other side of drone neighbour

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WelliesAndPyjamas · 24/05/2017 07:46

Inertia He is in his working week now, so sleeping during the day after night shifts, so we'll see whether he gets the drone out again closer to the weekend.

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UrsulaPandress · 24/05/2017 08:08

This would give me the rage. I think drones are bloody ridiculous anyway. I have fears of people or animals being injured by them.

And how bloody intrusive.

kwick · 24/05/2017 08:13

Shamelessly placemarking as I want to know how this turns out!!!

YANBU!!!

bruffian · 24/05/2017 08:41

I hate drones.

We had one in our village, it was a Christmas present to a teenage boy

It flew past my dd when she was on her horse. Horse freaked, went sideways into a wall. Daughter got leg caught between horse and wall and ripped ligaments in her ankle.

I went round and complained to the family. They were not at all contrite but I've never seen the drone since.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 24/05/2017 12:38

Outrageous, bruffian!

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kwick · 15/06/2017 18:14

@WelliesAndPyjamas please let us know if you have an update? Grin

WelliesAndPyjamas · 15/06/2017 19:00

Oh I have a good update but will have to come back later with it... 😜

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BettyBaggins · 15/06/2017 19:17

Tease!

Ilovebaconbutimonadiet · 15/06/2017 19:40

Ohhh OP, update please!