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AIBU?

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to feel very uncomfortable with neighbour's drone filming habits?

133 replies

WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 07:45

We have relatively new neighbours - moved in to rental house next door less than a year ago, husband and wife, about 50 yrs old, work long hours, he works shifts, quiet and friendly enough. All fine and we were relieved that they turned out to be nice because let's face it, it is always a gamble with new neighbours (we lived next to a nasty one many years ago and the experience was horrid and unforgettable).

The new neighbour (the man) is a hobby wildlife photographer and has a Facebook page, which he invited me to follow, and I do because he is nice and his photos are lovely. He has recently bought a drone that can film in very high quality and travel very long distances. He put his first bit of footage on his facebook page. It filmed from his garden out over the fields behind our houses and back, showing our house and back garden very clearly. That made me feel a bit weird, because we like our privacy, and suddenly random people on social media got a view of a bit of our lives, you know?

Since then he has been using it out the back, presumably practicing with it. We have seen it flying around in the field behind our houses. A couple of evenings ago we were having our usual coffee in the conservatory and the drone was hovering at and then flying past the very end of our garden. We obviously don't know whether he was capturing us (sat in our window) in that footage but it felt uncomfortable because, as said above, we like being private and don't like feeling like we are now potentially on display as we do our normal private things at home.

We haven't mentioned either thing to him because it is awkward. We and easygoing, avoid conflict, and good neighbourly relations make a big difference to having a happy life! 😄 Yes, that makes us sound like saps but it is just that we have reached that stage in life where we can't be doing with other people's nonsense 😄

This morning, though, I have felt quite upset by the drone thing. I got up at 6 and went out in my dressing gown to let the chickens out, as usual, and found that the drone was directly above the middle of our garden!! I stood there staring at it until it flew away and he landed it next door, so am guessing he could see me on his display screen. AIBU to feel intruded upon? I do not want to have to make sure I am decent just to walk through the back of my house (windows at the back have no blinds and are not overlooked by anyone). We have 3 kids, two of whom are still young enough to happily wander around the house and garden partially clothed, and in the summer often wander around naked. We really like living in a house and location where we are not overlooked, not because we do anything weird or illegal 😄 but because we are just private people. This situation is very uncomfortable. Am still pondering what to do about it, whether to go talk to him about how it feels, or post a message to him throgh his facebook page the coward's option or what? I believe what he is doing is not within the bounds of the law because he is 'filming a person within 50 metres without consent'.

Don't need this crap. And I know some of the other neighbours, who are also having their back gardens captured on film, would not react so passively.

Any thoughts on handling this sensibly? I don't think I should write FUCK OFF in white stones on my lawn, not yet anyway!

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Inertia · 16/05/2017 09:42

Yanbu to be bothered.

As a first step, you need to talk to him and make it clear that he is infringing your privacy and that of your children, and you want him to stop filming your property.

BMW6 · 16/05/2017 09:42

Just go round there and tell him to not fly his drone over your garden as it's intrusive. You don't need to make a production out of it, just tell him you object to it.

Laiste · 16/05/2017 09:49

As BMW says you just need to tell him you're unhappy and ask him to stop. You can be friendly. You know you're backed up by the law, so use that to give you confidence.

IF he escalates it and starts on about his drone his rights ect you can point the law out. (so be prepared for this in advance - print something off to take round and whip out just in case).

Littledidsheknow · 16/05/2017 09:50

Mother of a (very careful and considerate) drone enthusiast here! My DS flies his drones in the remote areas near us (we're in the country) and away from people and houses.
I think the rule is 50m away from people and private property if no consent has been given; hovering above your garden, and possibly filming, is completely unacceptable.
I realise though, that it is the broaching of the subject with your neighbour that is the tricky part here. Keep it calm and friendly, and make sure you are able to recite the cold hard legal facts to him. Could be that he's just been a bit thoughtless and overenthusiastic.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 09:58

Thanks for latest replies. All absolutely correct. It needs a calm chat, with legal facts.

I guess he didn't expect anyone to be in our garden at 6am and thought he would get away with it.

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WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 09:59

He has no shortage of remote areas to practice in around here. He needs to go elsewhere to do it. Simples.

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specialsubject · 16/05/2017 10:03

Politely remind him of the laws he is breaking, with the tactic that he might not be aware of...

If he thinks law doesn't apply to him, set it on him. Illegal activity is a tenancy breach - the landlord can't act for months and months but should know.

Or the simpler solutions of destroying the thing. We have an air rifle which can be used within our own land, low flying drones are good targets.

PossumInAPearTree · 16/05/2017 10:07

He's probably just been thoughtless. Like others have said he isn't allowed to.

Hopefully a polite word will be enough to make him stop. My neighbour once came round and asked me to stop doing something which was annoying him. He said he felt really awkward bringing it up. I was a bit mortified I hadn't realised I was pissing him off, apologised and have sorted it. Like a reasonable person would, and I'd like to think most people are equally reasonable.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 10:20

Ironically, specialsubject, dh and ds don't use an air rifle for target shooting in the garden for fear that the slight noise might disturb the neighbours in this quiet village Hmm

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nicknameofawesome · 16/05/2017 10:24

You need to politely ask him to stop and point out that it is in fact illegal. Ask him to remove garden footage from his page.

If he gets arsey then you can report him. A lot of places are clamping down hard on drone usage as it causes a total nuisance in housing estates.

Frazzled2207 · 16/05/2017 10:28

You need to go round and be nice about it but it is completely unacceptable IMO, legalities aside.

"We like our privacy so would you mind not filming or flying over our garden please".

NC1nightstand · 16/05/2017 10:48

I would hate this situation op.
He could get himself in serious trouble if he films your children when the warmer weather comes (when not if!) and they are running about naked as children should be fee to do. I know you are being very understanding and its most likely that he is entirely innocent and yet it seems to me common sense that you don't infringe on your neighbours' privacy if you can help it!
I hope you get it sorted out.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/05/2017 11:17

I would be very unhappy about this indeed. I hope that, when you have a conversation about it, he is reasonable, and respects your privacy from now on.

JennyOnAPlate · 16/05/2017 11:25

I would be unhappy with this too op. I would start with a polite conversation and hope he's reasonable. If he continues I would speak to the police...there are laws regarding drones and he's breaking them.

AgathaF · 16/05/2017 11:48

What a pain in the arse he is. Yes, of course go round and ask him to stop, and also ask him to remove the footage of your back garden from social media.

He's disregarding your privacy. It might not mean much to him, but he needs to accept that many people greatly value their privacy and would really not like this.

CoolioAndTheGang · 16/05/2017 11:59

Start with a friendly chat and if it persists afterwards, tell him it is illegal.

Littledidsheknow · 16/05/2017 12:08

The drone you describe sounds quite powerful. It very likely needs a license, as some do. I wonder if he has one?
If you do have to resort to quoting legalities at him, you may want to ask this.
He should know the rules if he has one.

CoolioAndTheGang · 16/05/2017 12:14

Unless he has an expensive drone, I doubt he can see the footage until he downloads it when the drone lands. There was legislation introduced last year about drones over a certain weight need to be registered. I may be wrong. I live in a rural setting and the neighbourhood watch have ban the use of drones due to an increase of robberies due to drone useage. The thiefs fly the drones around to see what is in an area and then rob things. There is definitely an aviation law about being in air space near airports and etiquette if not legal rules about flying in residential/builtup areas.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 12:35

I have looked up the model he has (he names it on his fb page) and it is flown with a mobile phone attached to it showing what the drone 'sees', so I am sure he saw me glaring at 'him' this morning, hence the very quick withdrawal and landing. Doesn't say anything on the manufacturer's website about a licence.

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whatsleep · 16/05/2017 13:16

It's irritating enough if he's flying at the back of you garden looking over the fields, but to open your back door and find him looking right at you via his drone is nothing less that spying on you. The fact that he withdrew the drone as soon as you were looking at it must have left him feeling rumbled. He's probably sitting at home crapping himself that you will going round and confront him!

cookiefiend · 16/05/2017 13:28

Just pop round and make a bit of a joke of it- preferably while his wife is there. Gosh- I'm never decent in the mornings when I let the chickens out, the kids run round without clothes and I wouldn't want to be filmed. If he is a nice guy that will probably be embarrassing enough. It may be that he is so into his hobby it hasn't occurred to him.

If that doesn't work then go over for a chat etc. But in the interests of neighbourly relations I would avoid escalating it too soon.

specialsubject · 16/05/2017 13:33

Sounds like a public service to make a little noise with the air rifle shooting this thing down. After one warning, of course.

Chestervase1 · 16/05/2017 13:37

I have cctv cameras and they must only point at your property i.e. garden, drive, front and back. It's illegal to have them pointing at someone else's property.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 16/05/2017 13:46

Esactly, chastervase. As a result of his first footage (the one he put in facebook) I and many others now know what all my neighbours' gardens look like, who has ponds, who has kids play equipment, who doesn't keep their lawn mowed, who hangs their washing on the line on a nice day, etc which I didn't necessarily know before! I imagine all my neghbours, him included, would be a bit put out if I put a cctv camera on top of a pole in my garden, overlooking everyone's properties...

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Crackedidiot · 16/05/2017 13:47

I too am loathe to confront neighbours about minor infringements of acceptable behaviour - live and let live and all that (plus Im a coward) . But I would definitely go round when they are both there .In the spirit of wanting to be open and honest get his assurance that he is NOT filming you or your children not fully clothed. He shouldnt need to be asked anyway.
Also if he accidentally films your property he should offer to edit it before publishing it to facebook or anywhere else for that matter.

He should do both of these things immediately without you having to bring in the facts of law. But have them with you anyway .

If he doesnt see it from your point of view I would go and tell all of the other neighbours what his activities have been so that they can add their weight to the argument.

I woudnt do this first though. Let him redeem himself