to find vegans really annoying?

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Just that really. I know a few and my god do they ever preach on and on about their coconut oil macha powder cacao powder chia seed energy balls and milk industry and calves being killed etc. It's the over earnestness and attitude that they are the most enlightened people to walk this planet that wind me up. It reminds me of being 18 again.

Coincidentally DD chose for her bedtime story a book about a girl looking after a lamb for a week before it went to be raffled and getting very upset upon finding out that the lamb would likely be eaten by the winner - wonder if that'll bring up some questions about meat tomorrow, although the first time she ate lamb all she was upset about was that we were eating its leg while she wanted to eat its face...

Yea it's good Rockaby! There's about 2/300 recipes on there and for a few quid its worth it and gets you on the right track. Although just googling WFPB recipes will probably find you as much :)

Well, some of the vegan repsones are just further convincing me how preachy and smug many vegans can be. My post was meant to be light hearted (in an abusive to sanctimonious food fascists way). About 80% of the vegan responses have been lectures.

Please note as I stated before, if you'd bothered to read the thread before getting excited and getting your preach on, I am a veggie myself. Have been for years. There seems to be a new trend for evangelical veganism and I am tired of being told that coconut oil can cure eczema and insomnia and threadworms and cancer etc. That you need a chia seed smoothie etc.

Newsflash vegan vigilantes. Most of us read this stuff and either eat it/ practise it quietly or decide not to. Do you really think you are the first person to tell the world about the poor little cows and agriculture blablabla. That 10 veg a day is good for you. It's the attitude that you were sent down from god to educate the rest of us that gets me.

( rolling up my sleeves and getting ready to dodge the falafel balls about to be thrown at me)

I'm a farmer of the meat rearing variety and shock horror I cook with coconut oil quite a lot
I have a few friends who are vegetarian and vegan, none of them have unfriended me due to being a farmer who breeds and rears animals, ultimately for meat. I respect their decision and they respect my lifestyle.
The only portion of people I have a problem with are the ones who say 'oh I couldn't do it, I couldn't eat meat if I knew where it had come from'
I'm there when all our animals are born, I see them get to their feet, make sure they feed, check them every day of their lives and ensure all their needs are met. I can eat them as I know I've done everything I can to give then the best life possible.

CakeAhoy, your DH should be on lifelong injections if he's B12d but not vegan (or alcoholic)!
If he cannot absorb it from diet, then the amount he will absorb from sublinguals is not going to be enough. It will raise his blood serum without addressing the deficiency at cell level. Beyond an initial boost he is likely to deteriorate.
www.b12deficiency.info/b12-treatment/

Even vegans (and alcoholics) sometimes need injections if the deficiency has gone too far.
B12d untreated or even undertreated can be fatal!
It can cripple or kill and doctors rarely understand this unfortunately.

Ask him to join this FB group or join yourself so you can help him.
www.facebook.com/groups/PAB12DSupportGroup/

Oh wow YNK I didn't know that?!

He had a blood test but the doctor just told him to use a supplement?

Could it be that when he said 'deficiency' he just meant a bit low and not that bad?

If not looks like I'll have to send him back up!

No, any B12 deficiency that is not caused by diet (or drink/drugs) is due to malabsorption and is a lifelong condition.
Doctors are under pressure from pharmaceutical companies to use their products but their testing has only been conducted over a 4 month period and relies on serum levels. There is no test to see how well B12 is absorbed at cellular level and many people have deteriorated outside of the 4 month test limit.

Doctors have only 3 hours training to cover all the vitamins and deficiencies and many are uneducated about the autoimmune aspect of B12 deficiency.

Please join the group above for further information, or indeed, join the Pernicious Anaemia Society.
This site has links to further information and there are many links to follow to learn more.
www.b12deficiency.info/what-is-b12-deficiency/
www.b12deficiency.info/what-is-b12-deficiency/
Please help your DH since his doctor isn't very informed.

OP, it sounds like you're more annoyed with the "alternative" methods of using coconut oil, than the fact anyone is vegan. There's plenty of meat eaters who swear by coconut oil, and plenty of vegans who don't use it at all. I personally find the most annoying food pushers the ones who swear by keto or atkins etc. Or those gym goers that drink protein and live off meat and fat 😷

In conclusion...people are annoying. Goodnight.

You've just met annoying vegans, like you could meet annoying coin collectors.

I've been vegan for 18 years, a lot of people I've known for ages don't know as I doubt they'd find it interesting.

I do sound a bit obsessed with coconut oil on rereading my posts. {grin}

I use the stuff myself on occasion. I just find that the vegans I know seem to be constantly telling me that coconut oil is wonderful as though they created it. Along with energy balls and macha powder. When I say yes, it's good stuff (but doesn't cure warts), they continue telling me anyway. Must be where I live. There's a lot of them around at the mo. All nice people but on a one track conversation.

Thank you YNK I'll show him those.

A bit scary that our gp didn't know any of that though

Mileshuntswig, I've never met an annoying coin collector Not sure why that's made me laugh!

To be fair where I live there is a very popular vegan supermarket. I feel like I get looked at like shit when I go in there and stand out like a sore thumb as I don't fit the hippie brigade look (no offence to anyone at all - I'm just rather plain). So I know what you mean to a certain extent but I also don't think it's about being vegan as such, more part of a wider cultural society, which annoys me too.

pinkponiesrock, but don't you form an attachment to them?

If farming or slaughter is being done inhumanely, let's punish the perpetrators per existing law.

Many animals are delicious as is their produce, this does not mean "carnivores" are in favour of causing them to suffer unduly?

I actually think the people who would be "traumatized" by seeing animals killed for food are the product of a life sheltered from reality. The moist eyed horror of such people exposed to what meat is, can give rise to supposedly ethical veganism and that's one thing. The other thing they definitely give rise to is cruel and inhumane farming and slaughter, because their need for a sanitized experience (give me bacon, let me pretend nobody fucked up a pig to get it) pushes these processes out of sight and out of mind where arseholes can behave as they like.

If western society would grow up to the level a ten year old should be at re the realities of the food chain, that stuff needn't be brushed under the carpet to the same extent.

I do wonder what the landscape would look like with no grazing livestock -
wall to wall gorse and bracken I guess. Or are the farmers supposed to maintain the herds so people can look at them?

I only know two vegans, one who keeps heating up her incredibly delicious smelling when I only have sandwiches leftovers in the staffroom , and one who is totally insufferable for a myriad of reasons. Therefore from my completely scientific survey 100% of vegans are annoying...

I think the most annoying vegans are the ones who do 'what I eat In a day' videos on YouTube.

Typically they have a pristine kitchen, and generally start with a smoothie bowl, followed by water with lemon from a jar
Followed by a boring delicious spinach kale and avocado salad... then get all excited with the fact they're going to have another smoothie bowl sprinkled with bird seed. Always done with a sweet punch me in the face smile.
Where are the realistic vegans on YouTube??You know the ones that actually work, leave the house get stressed that sort of thing.

I'm vegan, nearly 13 years now. And recently been told I have TOO MUCH b12 in my system.
I never preach at people. If asked directly or of in a restaurant and people comment etc I'll tell them but other than that people wouldn't know.
I've had people want to go vegan and come to me for advice about it but other than the above situations...
What bothers me is when folk know or find out and then wave their meat in my face and/or start telling me how good meat or cheese is. How about just let me eat my freaking dinner.
You have a people problem op, not a vegan problem.

Just seen above post. Yes I'm a realistic vegan. Maybe I should start making youtube videos about noodles/ veggie burgers and chips and drinking far too much wine on a Saturday night. . :)

@Ranty: People waving their meat in your face uninvited is something nobody should have to endure.

Im a vegan. I don't like coconut oil. Everything i eat is either deep-fried or cake.
I don't think that pointing out that meat is the dead body of an animal is sanctimonious. I don't go around doing so myself but those who do aren't exactly telling fibs...

RantyMare that would be good, I expect you'd get a lot of subscribers!
Half the time people are turned off being a vegan because it all looks so drab in those those videos.

Potatoscowls I think the thing is (and I'm sure you've heard it all before) we were made to eat a bit of meat. Not as much as society does but it would have saved us from hunger for a few days when everything else was sparse.
I think the aim should be for society as a whole to cut down on animal products, because we eat far too much of them when really a little is plenty and most of what we eat should be vegetables anyway.

I grew up watching my dad catching and preparing meat and fish so I'm pretty immune to it all, but I would prefer it if everybody made a conscious effort to source their meat and dairy etc from higher welfare places, and ate less of it.