No AIBU - Ian Brady is dead.

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Good.

That is all.

I do hope that is not true .

Publishing at Christmas ? When one little victim met her end at their hands on Boxing Day of 1964 .

Goes beyond sick if it is .

I feel almost irrational anger at the prospect of this. I think I may even boycott stores which sell it. I hope it doesn't come to that, it's just terrible.

I think I will join your boycott if it is true.

I feel almost irrational anger at the prospect of this. I think I may even boycott stores which sell it.

Same, and I never boycott anything. This I'd make an exception for though.

His autobiography 'gates of janus' was published in 2001.

'Gates of Janus'?

Gates of Janus wasn't strictly an autobiography from what I understand, more a profiling of serial killers in general. From Amazon:

"Synopsis

An Extraordinary Publishing Event from One of the World's Most Cutting-Edge Publishers; 'The Moors Murders,' the case of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley and their torture and murder of four children and a teenager in the early 1960s, are thought to be the most appalling crimes ever committed in the UK. Despite the fact that they have been in prison for almost 40 years, their every activity remains a constant source of interest to the media and to the general public. This highly controversial book, a full-length work written by Brady himself, came about after Colin Wilson suggested that he analyse serial murder in an attempt to come to terms with the crimes he and Hindley committed. Based on his readings, his observations of other incarcerated murderers and his own life story, Brady's work is both psychological and philosophical; it does not, in any sense, glorify his and Hindley's crimes but presents a fascinating look into the mind of a murderer. Clearly of major interest to the general reader, this astonishing and remarkable book will also be essential reading for psychologists, forensic scientists and anyone concerned with the workings of the criminal mind."

If ever there was an argument against capital punishment, it's that the likes of Brady spend years trying to kill themselves to release them from the interminable boredom of lack of open spaces and freedom. He spent years trying to gain control of the situation from the authorities by refusing food and pleading to be allowed to die. No, you fucker. What control did you allow your victims and their families? Nobody will mourn him, certainly. But I wish he'd have had to endure many more years of misery in captivity.

The autobiography is available next week on Kindle and has been written by a "friend" dr Keightly. The extract on the dm website is quite graphic and is very upsetting.
Of course nobody can know for sure if Brady wrote this, or how much is embellished by dr Keightly or even if it is actually true at all and not the delusions of madman.
If any of you are interested in the Moors Murderers then Carol Ann Lee's biography of Hindley, One of Your Own, is meticulously researched, factual and well referenced with the support of the families involved. It is one of the best biographies I've ever read, it enables the reader to make up their own mind about Hindleys character and her involvement.

Don't want to read about small children being murdered while screaming for their Parents

Agree Littlelion, a good argument against capital punishment indeed.

I don't think I could read that, or anything like it, if it had details of the murders. Some years ago somebody posted a tiny part of what Lesley Ann Downey suffered, and I still feel dreadful thinking of it. I can't imagine how the families must have felt.

How amazing if for one week only everyone in the U.K. stopped ordering from Amazon in protest.

Whats your point? I am better than Ian Brady which was my point to the posts that have the smug air of being a better person because they dont wish ill on someone "thats what makes us better" type thing. Laguna, you are clearly are referring to my post. I can assure you that I am in no way smug. Nor do I think that I'm a better person than anyone here (except of course, vile murdering scum, but I'd hope that any of us here could say with absolute certainty that we are much, much better than that).

And it's certainly not about not wishing ill on dispicable human beings. When I think of the likes of Ian Brady, there's no amount of ill I'd wish on them. I had a dear friend who was raped and murdered. When I saw her murderers face printed in the media, it was very easy for me to picture myself in a room with him, taking a hammer to each of his joints. To wish for him the same level of suffering that he inflicted on my wonderful friend. Given the opportunity, I have no doubt that I'd have done it. But to paraphrase Toby Ziggler on the West Wing, that's why we don't let the families or friends of murder victims decide the punishment of the accused.

The person who stole my friend's life was a fucking monster. As was Ian Brady. But we don't conquer monsters by becoming monsters ourselves. And I'm of that belief that by torturing, or taking the life of, another human, that is what we'd become.

Now you'll probably think that that is a smug statement too. It took me quite some time to get to there. Initially, not only did I want punishment, I wanted vengence. I wanted to see my friend's murderer hung, drawn and fucking quartered. But over time I thought of my friend, and who she was, her beliefs, and how she felt about such things. She would have hated the thought of anyone, even the vile prick who ended her life at the age of 29, being tortured or killed in her name. So that's how I've arrived at my stance on this topic.

I just can't get past the mentality of those who would actually buy this book. I can only assume those who would buy don't have children, as any decent parent would be utterly sickened reading the details about what happened and to the real life victims crying for their mummy.
It's vile. It HAPPENED. He's dead Thank fuck and hopefully the end hurt badly
Why would anyone revel in the ins and outs? It's beyond me.

Can't believe this man is in people's thoughts enough to cause disagreements and arguments upon descent folk

I know the girl who grew up in the house next door to where there house was. Her garden was was the house of Brady and Hindley. She said people would come in the night and steel patches of earth from her garden
That's sick!

I live in the town where Brady and Hindley lived and my gran actually had lifts off Hindley to work.
My gran always said Hindley came across as normal and never would have suspected.
When Brady came onto the scene my gran left her job and she only saw Brady a few times in the area but she said she knew there was something evil in him.
What upsets my gran after all these years is how normal Hindley appeared

Wonder if you live me @Sillysausage123?

Hi Funnyfarmer I've never seen anyone on here from Hattersley/Hyde so nice to see someone local.

Boldkitties that's so awful, so sorry for your friend and of course you, her friends and family

Boldkitties Im sorry for your loss and what happened to your friend and I do understand why you feel the way you do. But some of us feel differently I guess, I just dont think capital punishment is monstrous or turns us into monsters. But this isnt a debate about capital punishment. And no I dont think youre being smug. It wasnt even your post I was referring to, it was Elendons, which I note now has been deleted.

Boldkitties

I agree with everything you've written.

And I'm so sorry for what you, and your friends family and other friends have suffered.

Small world @Sillysausage