Corbyn and IRA

[TheGentleMoose]

AIBU to ask that someone please explain how he is allowed to lead a party after this?

"It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process."

Taken from a Telegraph article. I was unaware his support of the IRA was this involved until this morning.

youre linking to the spectator? Really?

I am, yes ... and if you take the trouble to read the article instead of merely dismissing it out of hand, you'll see that instead of just slinging accusations, Nick Cohen is very careful to offer links which prove the points he makes

To borrow an old phrase, though, there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see

Elendon. I was reponding to another post, not listing those things randomly. I agree that Irish/Northern Irish history is badly taught and understood.

Speaking ro my friend from Ulster they are all getting Irish Passports because they can hold a british and Irish which6should deal with the border issue to a point

@ TheGentleMoose Why don't I bog off? Are you serious? You want a discussion about Northern Ireland and yet you use a derogatory term to dismiss me? You have used this thread to score a political point, which is pointless and not in a good sense.

No, Irish people in NI were able to hold Irish passports under the 1949 Ireland Act. Some had before then too, but passports were less common then.

Only if you could get the birth certificate of your grandparents if born in the 60s.

@Elendon - No. I've used this thread to ask for other's to share opinions and explanations. No political point scoring at all. I came in with an open mind and have been grateful to those that have shared.

Your very first post in this thread ended up with "OP are you listening" when it's quite clear I was reading what was being shared from my previous posts. You've mentioned, more than once, about political point scoring - and I've already said it has nothing to do with that.

@TheGentleMoose

You have clearly not been listening because you told me to 'bog off' I guarantee that that is a racist comment.

@Elendon - bog off means to leave, or to go away.

I have no idea what race you are.

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bog-off

That's the definition for you.

Speaking ro my friend from Ulster they are all getting Irish Passports because they can hold a british and Irish which6should deal with the border issue to a point

It doesn't deal with the border issue at all. Besides the fact that some people can't even afford one passport never mind two, either someone in NI will have to carry their passport to travel an hour down the motorway on the same island, or they will have to carry their passport to get on a plane or a boat to get to another part of the country they are supposed to belong to.

The existing dual citizenship arrangements in no way lessen the impact of the reckless actions of UK voters, nor do they make NI feel any less abandoned. To think so is naive at best.

There have been efforts made for years to strengthen links between Belfast and Dublin. And all that was cast aside without a second thought.

commonsens - is this the one?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2887524-A-thread-to-encourage-understanding-of-the-N-Ireland-peace-process?messages=100&pg=1

Something inside Me burns with rage when people have the base moral compass to try and compare Nelson Mandela to isis, and the ira. It makes me feel ill.

Moose I don't know if that's the same thread but I've just been reading the one you linked and it is really good to help understand the background.

The spectator link is pretty sobering. Imagine if there was some link to the tory and someone who felt we should 'look to the positives of Hitlers nazi regime ¡ imagine the fucking outraged!! But corbyn link to someone who feels we should look at the positives of stalins Russia is sunk.

The past is a different country and all that

Not saying I condone it but obviously many British government officials were involved in Bloody Sunday and similar

I don't personally like Corbyn and don't think he is electable but I think this is just dirt digging

I saw a programme on the misuse of Factor 8 leading to thousands of deaths and how Ken Clarke has likely been implicated as the senior government minister in charge with hands all over that cover up - times change and I think the factor 8 thing is actually a bigger scandal - but that's just me

I agree Iamaslave.

My mouth fell open when another poster (puzzled) lumped Mandela in with the infamous dictator Nicolai Chauchescu!

Any any case this is all desperate stuff. Conservative central office must be concerned that the landslide is no longer a foregone conclusion.

People are digging up and taking out of context what was said by Corbyn over a generation ago. Why are they silent on what May is doing today? Just the other day she was in Saudi selling arms to a regime who bankroll ISIS! One of her ministers said that that nut job running the Phillipines shared our values .

They also slag off the Labour manifesto. Much of it makes sense when you actually read it. Where's the Tory manifesto or have we already been given it (i.e bring back fox hunting, make more cuts, bring back Grammers). The Torys have zero interest in helping the people of this country and it was the Torys who have caused Brexit which will cause problems in NI.

A month ago I had zero time for Jeremy Corbyn but now he's actually being given media airtime I'm warming to his message and I say that as being part of a high earning family who stands to lose money if he's elected. Nevertheless, I believe in the greater good. An extra 5p in the pound in tax won't make a difference to me but it could be put towards initiatives that make a real difference.

My mouth fell open when another poster (puzzled) lumped Mandela in with the infamous dictator Nicolai Chauchescu!

I think you'll find that I described the list as one containing "controversial figures", no? Individually we may admire Mandela or we may not, but I don't think I've ever met anyone who would deny he was controversial ...

"Conservative central office must be concerned that the landslide is no longer a foregone conclusion."

The article was from 2015 - when it was published they would have had no idea that there was going to be a snap election.

Thats the thread. Good read for anyone interested.
And Ulster contains the counties Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan which are already part of Ireland. There's 9 counties in Ulster, six of which make up Northern Ireland.

Any any case this is all desperate stuff. Conservative central office must be concerned that the landslide is no longer a foregone conclusion.

No they really really aren't. Even Labour candidates are saying on the record they know they won't win.

People are digging up and taking out of context what was said by Corbyn over a generation ago.

I think you are imagining things there Certainly not over a generation ago!

Where's the Tory manifesto

Well just like the actual Labour one and every other party. None have been officially released yet. You would have no idea what was in Labours if someone from within the party hadn't leaked a draft.

You also don't know if everything in the draft made the final cut.

They also slag off the Labour manifesto. Much of it makes sense when you actually read it.

Great in theory. How are you going to pay for it? CGT is apparently going to be used for ar least 5 policies. The sums don't add up.

""Something inside Me burns with rage when people have the base moral compass to try and compare Nelson Mandela to isis, and the ira."

Yet NM gave them funding and advised Gerry Adams to not give up hid weapons until he got what he wanted.

There was a sympathetic viewing by NM of Sinn Fein as freedom fighters.

Wasn't margaret thatcher bosom buddies with the dictator Pinochet, responsible the the slaughter of 1000s and torture of 10s of thousands.

Didn't do her political career any harm.

It's interesting that the only relevance NI has to the UK elections is what people think about Jeremy Corbin. There is literally no force on earth that can get an English electorate interested in the fate of the place itself.

Amen. Why do I read these threads, why do I do it to myself.

Jellyfrizz

That's a good bit of "whataboutery". Yes, Theresa May is hypocritical on Brexit. So what? We were talking about Corbyn. He has never been a big fan of EU, but did decide he was going to support Remain. He said so publicly. Then did very little. Which suggests that he was more pro-brexit but didn't say so publicly- or was ambivalent, which is not much better.

How did you not know this , op?