Corbyn and IRA

[TheGentleMoose]

AIBU to ask that someone please explain how he is allowed to lead a party after this?

"It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process."

Taken from a Telegraph article. I was unaware his support of the IRA was this involved until this morning.

I'd be more concerned about the meetings that May et al are currently having with warmongers, and how she and her colleagues stand to personally gain from their involvement in dirty wars. I want to be represented by someone who isn't bombing civilians in my name. May has blood on her hands, yet we're all aghast because Corbyn was involved in peace talks?

20nil Northern Ireland and Ireland are now two different countries with a soft border, a bit like England and Wales if you've ever been.
Irish oppression not only refers to the denial of human and civil rights to Catholics in NI but the horrific things done to Irish people on the island of Ireland for 800 years.

The Queen once entertained the evil Robert Mugabe in Buckingham Palace

She's entertained various other controversial figures too - Emperor Hirohito, Nicolai Ceausescu and Nelson Mandela are just some which spring to mind. To be fair, though, she does this at the government's request, rather than choosing to do it, and unlike her ghastly heir she keeps her opinions on these folk very much to herself

I'm no great royalist, but it seems perhaps a bit harsh to blame her just for doing what the government insist is her job

You know that not all Irish Catholics felt they were represented by the IRA, don't you? Majority always voted for the SDLP which is nationalist but not violent and whose founded were pioneers of th civil rights momvement.

What were the IRA's legitimate concerns by the way and how were they reflected in the bombs which killed Protestants and Catholics in Belfast, Manchester and London?

Whatever I think about it, the majority of people in NI identify as British because they are British.

Because Major talked with the IRA, the United Nations talked with the IRA, the USA talked with the IRA, the EU talked with the IRA and Northern Ireland has found a peace settlement in discussions with the IRA and the UVF. The UVF killed hundreds of people in the troubles.

Most of Northern Ireland voted to stay within the European Union because they do have a border with Ireland. Hello OP? Are you listening?

@Elendon - Can you not see I have been reading everything shared, and commenting on some of it?

Or does "listening" in your sense only happen when someone changes their opinion on something?

Feel yes I know both parts of the island of Ireland well. It's a 'soft border' because ROI and the UK are in the EU, but the Irish border is nonetheless an international border.

I know what Irish oppression means and referred to NI because Somerville listed episodes from the famine to Bloody Sunday.

The majority of people in Northern Ireland have now got an Irish Passport courtesy of the Good Friday agreement. And the SDLP got my first ever vote. I would probably vote Alliance now. However, I would vote Sinn Fein if I felt the candidate was good.

Corbyn not condemning the IRA and engaging with members is not condoning their actions.

Well that's a mute point because it doesn't say he disagrees with it either does it.

Jc has never cheered on violent methods

Please tell me you're joking?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/shouldnt-vote-jeremy-corbyn/#

It's not a soft border, it's the same border as Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Greece and all the other borders. Have none of you ever travelled across Europe? Travelling from Northern Ireland to Ireland is the same as travelling from Dover to France.

@TheGeneMoose I wasn't specially referring to you as an individual, just others who I've seen use Corbyns supposed support for the IRA as a reason to vote Conervative. The world doesn't revolve around you 🙄

Yes

No, @TheGentleMoose your OP was how he could be allowed to lead a party after this. Really? Have you no idea of the international accords that lead to peace in Northern Ireland, or are you just scoring political points in a run up to a general election. I can't believe for one moment you actually care about Northern Ireland.

@AvonBarksdale99 Well perhaps make that clear in your posts. Particularly as you used the word "All". That does imply everyone that would never vote for Corbyn.

puzzled youre linking to the spectator? Really?

Trying using unbias sources next time.

No, Irish people in NI were able to hold Irish passports under the 1949 Ireland Act. Some had before then too, but passports were less common then.

Trying using unbias sources next time.

What, like the Canary and Momentum pages that happen on these sorts of threads

You came across as not understanding Ireland, NI, Catholic oppression, Irish oppression and the famine. Which happens frequently on MN and is not any bad reflection on you. It's just how it seems to be taught in schools.

@Elendon - Yep. That's correct. Your post stated i wasn't listening and i replied saying it was glaringly obvious that i was listening [but not necessarily that I have changed my mind].

No need for me to score any political points here. I wanted to hear other's views and that's what has been shared [mostly without having a go at me, so why don't you bog off]

@CommonSenseIsNotAllThatCommon If that was aimed at me, then not everyone that uses mumsnet is A. British. B. Grew up and was educated in the UK. C. Has been taught anything about Ireland / Northern Ireland, politics, the troubles - Mumsnet isn't just reserved for those that have a certain level of education of knowledge on this topic.

I did ask for explanations, and i am happy people shared information etc.

"It fits in with his agenda to bring down our capitalist system. His support for terrorists fighting against governments go together with his anti Nato views. A vote for JC would move the UK to a pro Russia, anti American stance and his rejection of our nuclear would start to destabilize the world."

Well I'm glad that the US hasn't recently voted towards a pro-Russian stance.
Oh hang on, the other thing....

Jeremy Corbyn engaged in discussions because he wanted peace. He opposed the 1985 or 86 Anglo Irish that Maggie tried to bring in. At the time he said it wasn't realistic because he felt a unified Ireland would bring peace. Meanwhile Maggie was meeting them behind closed doors having had Pinochet help with the falklands earlier years. JC was asked to condem the IRA bombings and he condemned all violence making reference to the incidents the British Army had done, (there appears to be a lot of blood all ways). In 97 Corbyn was used in the peace talks and Mo Mowlam so the left will say he pathed the way but the right will say Maggie started it in 1985. Either way i would think all violence is bad but the only way forward in this instance was to engage in discussion. Obviously i have given a brief over view and there must be painful memories for all involved.

Corbyn has always been a thorn from not supporting Iraq to Syria and his belief that tye Palestinian ppl are suffering at the hands of Irsrael but again there is the case of suicide bombers. Very sensitive subjects so i will base my vote on the pledges which basically suggest Health, Welfare, NHS, Education free diners and scrap tuition, this is why he gets called a communist because he wants universal equality but historically with communism or socialism the concepts have been principled but other leader's have abused their position for instance Stalin etc...

I personally think in the UK we shld all have a decent standard of life with perhaps core values of universal housing, money etc

Hope that helps and goodluck

It was for 20Nil OP. There was a great thread on Ireland and Northern Ireland around the time MM died. I'll see if I can find it.

@NewcastleBrown69 Thank you for explaining your thoughts and reasons for where your vote is going to go; much appreciated.