To think we should just all vote for labour

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Renationalise the railways and energy companies.

Stoping any rises in pension age.

Taxing the top 5% to pay for oap social care.

No tax rises to people warning under 80k.

No to nuclear weapons.

Giving workers the right to strike.

Reverse legal aid cuts, giving the poorest people access to the legal system.

No target on immigration.

Banning driver only trains to keep the underground in safe hands.

Increased rights for the Roma.

Review of disability benefits changes.

Scraping tuition fees.

Honestly all such good ideas, we can get him ellected!

Labour know they're not going to win so it's essentially given them free reign to come out with all this Marxist, utopian crap that they would never put forward if they actually had a real chance of winning. It's embarrassing and pie in the sky.

Above all, it's politics of envy. "We envy rich people so let's take all their hard earned money.".... awful attitude.

For example, the attitude that if you work 16 hours or more, you'll get 30 free childcare hours a week is great. It's asking people to make the right decision and enables them to be free of state help. Instead you've got unemployed mothers saying it's morally wrong to have other people look after their children in order to go to work. It's preposterous and in fact goes against the greater good which liberals bleat on about. Stop being a canker and get to work. No more excuses.

I'm not rich by the way. But I don't begrudge people money and I think a fair system is paramount.

To clarify, I don't begrudge rich people of their money.

If 30 hours free childcare is on the table, there's no excuse not to work.

Well I'm sorry but I want never gets. The sensible people don't want it

Sensible people don't want others to be homeless.
Sensible people don't want people using foodbanks.
Sensible people want the healthcare for everyone and not just the well off.
Sensible people want employment rights.

wanting equality is not envy.

My family earn 60k

We also pay taxes and give 6k to charity each year.

because my luck, privilege and hard work should be shared with those who need it.

I work hard yes. But that doesn't mean i shouldn't share.

Here's the Institute of Fiscal Studies take on increasing the minimum wage, which both parties are committed to do

election2017.ifs.org.uk/article/minimum-wages-in-the-next-parliament

Both parties plan have an impact on the cost of running a business which will have a knock effect on prices and/or employment - no-one knows where that inflection point is though

This papargraph is interesting:

" Both parties’ plans imply big increases in the costs of employing workers. The Conservative plan raises the cost of employing at least 2.8 million workers by 4% on average, the Labour plan raises the cost of employing 7.1 million workers by almost 15% on average.

If employers did not cut employment (or hours of work), total employer costs from wages and employer National Insurance would – in the absence of any offsetting compensatory measure – rise by £1 billion per year under the Conservatives, and by £14 billion per year under Labour.

In addition, there are possible substantial knock-on effects on those with earnings just above the proposed minima, which may be considerable. "

Scrapping trident won't save money. The costs of nuclear decommissioning are astronomical. We wouldn't see any cost savings for many years.

No one has mentioned his 20:1 company pay rule

From my rough maths if he wants to raise minimum wage to £10/hr then the max salary can be £355k

Gruffalos you said: "They intend to use PFI again." But, as I pointed out, Labour used PFI enormously during their governments for the NHS. Odd to criticise the Tories for doing something that apparently improved the NHS significantly under Labour.

Mother Does the NHS need more money? POSSIBLY. Could it spend the money is already has better? ABSOLUTELY. Does it need significant reorganisation to enable this to happen? ABSOLUTELY. Is it likely that some parts of the NHS may need go private in some form? POSSIBLY.

1.7 million people work in the NHS. It is the fifth largest employer in the entire world. There are approximately 32 million people in work in the UK in a population of 60 million. It simply cannot go on in the current form. Much as we might all want it to.

And why do people object to the to richest paying more tax? Surely that is fair. They won't all get up and leave. Ridiculous suggestion.

Because that's not their proposal. their proposal is to tax more people who make 80,000, and if you live in London, that's not rich.

Neither party has a plan for dealing with the housing crisis. Labour's plan is, as always, housing musical chairs (through benefits), or build housing with no credible plan to pay for it. The conservatives have no plan. At least they are honest about it.

Motheroffourdragons

Right, they can't just leave them to rust! FYI a nuclear power station costs about £800 million to dispose of safety.

The British nuclear arsenal at a guess is equivalent to 3 reactors

Never voted Labour. No reason to now.
They will borrow more money to throw at the country's problems getting us into more debt.

Plus I have as much confidence in Jeremy Corbyn running the country as I do in a prawn sandwich.

I think you'll find our population is nearer 70 million (that we know of, which of course is not the true figure) and what does Corbyn say 'no cap on immigration' Madness.

They will borrow more money to throw at the country's problems getting us into more debt.
Like the current Tory government then?

How is no cap on immigration madness vs the Tories' "cap" that is ignored and massively surpassed each year?

"If 30 hours free childcare is on the table, there's no excuse not to work."

You still believe this one?

*They cannot afford to fund the 30 hours free childcare!"

Mother - "I know - it needs more doctors, nurses and money. None of which it is going to get from the Tories."

How do you KNOW they aren't going to get those from the Tories? Do you have a crystal ball? As I pointed out, employment in the NHS rose by 300,000 between 2010 and 2015. Now, I'm happy to say I bet there are plenty of managers in that number and part timers, but that's a big jump. Which will have involved paying salaries. As Labour weren't in power then, must have been the coalition who found this money. If the Tories aren't going to put any money into the NHS, presumably they didn't during 2010-2015 and we can thank the LibDems?

I'm not saying you're wrong, the truth is NONE OF US KNOW. There is no more certainty that the Tories WON'T put more money into the NHS than there is Labour WILL. But neither party is proposing sensible reorganisation of the NHS and without that, it is going to collapse, regardless of money.

And the massive rise in the population due to uncontrolled immigration is one of the main reasons why the NHS is near breaking point.

The only politician willing to clearly state that is Farage, to howls of outrage and cries of racism of course.

30 free hours in my area from this September.