To think we should just all vote for labour

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Renationalise the railways and energy companies.

Stoping any rises in pension age.

Taxing the top 5% to pay for oap social care.

No tax rises to people warning under 80k.

No to nuclear weapons.

Giving workers the right to strike.

Reverse legal aid cuts, giving the poorest people access to the legal system.

No target on immigration.

Banning driver only trains to keep the underground in safe hands.

Increased rights for the Roma.

Review of disability benefits changes.

Scraping tuition fees.

Honestly all such good ideas, we can get him ellected!

It seems Corbyn wants to enact the social and domestic policies of Venuzula - the people there are starving depute having more oil than Saudi Arabia.

His policy of nationalizing the railways and energy is not possible within 20 years - the contracts are set in stone.

His policy to increase tax on those earning over 80k - im on the fence about ! These people already pay the lions share of tax. Also i earn about 70k - doesnt motivate me to do better !

His reltionship with the IRA makes me physically sick.

His inability to lead in the case of a global crisis makes me feel incredibly uneasy - will renew trident but would never use it - even if we were under nuclear bombardment.

Diane Abbott - feckless

John McConnell - marxist

No i shall not be votimg Labour - all of my remainer friends say they wont either they are all voting Tory to ensure TM has the best possible mandate for Britain leaving the EU - which IS HAPPENING whether we like it or not. The debate for long term social change is one we need to have in the longer term, right now we need a safe pair of hands with The current prime minister leading us through the next 5 years.

This i believe will be a food thing for both sides of the political spectrum as it gives Labour a chance to get its act together and get some strong credible leadership for 2022 !

This is what I love about politics in the UK, you can vote for someone who would do their honest best for the country, who may not be able to deliver on all their promises, but will have a damn good try .....
Or you could vote for a Party who will fuck you over, time and time again, but that's ok, because you know they're going to do it, and they'll deliver when they say that's what they are going to do.
Words fail me!

So misogynistic Labour Party want to replace 'gender assignment' with 'gender identity' in equality law. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-trans-transgender-policy-equality-act-aggravated-offence-outdated-langauge-a7729666.html

Badlad Admittedly, it is Wikipedia but I've doing some digging and so far it appears to be correct:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers

Thanks.

Bad Now, a good proportion of these could, of course, be management. It doesn't specify. And the NHS is far too management heavy, which is why it needs that total reorganisation. No one is proposing it.

I take it most of you who like this labour manifesto are too young to have lived through the 70's when similar policies to these were in operation
Well another incorrect assumption. I did, and a lot of people seem to forget we had Tory governments then, too.

These policies are progressive social democracy as opposed to slash and burn neocon tosh.

It's a pretty manifesto, but it reads like a fairy story.

First of all, you can throw all the budget at the NHS and it won't save it. The NHS is out of date and needs a complete reform (and will need to include making private healthcare insurance more accessible to those on middle and lower incomes and to expand the cover provided by health insurance).

I work alongside the NHS and the staff are desperately doing all they can to make it work, but they can't prevent the inevitable, it's not about how hard they work or more staff, or more money, it's about looking at the ageing population and the rise in obesity and having to rework the system to future proof it.

There is a hell of a lot in the manifesto. Brexit is going to take up an enormous amount of time and will need all hands on deck.

Where is labour going to find the time to do all of this in the next five years, even if they had the money to do it?

The shadow cabinet is not even Corbyn'a first choice, he had to appoint from a limited pool of supportive MP's after the leadership challenge.

I thought the 50p tax rate was scrapped because it wasn't generating the money it was supposed to, so why would an increase in taxing higher earners now generate more money?

As much as Amazon etc should be paying more tax here, it clearly isn't that easy to enforce that.

I like some of the pledges, think others are ridiculous, but I don't believe for one minute that there is the time to implement it all, or even some of it.

matey's mum, and we also lived through the eighties and nineties with Thatcher, mass privatisations leading to the current NHS crisis, the poll tax, council house sell off leading to housing crisis and the inability of those on lower incomes to get on the housing market, mass inequality etc....

if you stop peddling that same tired old shite i'll stop peddling mine.

It is reasonable that in a developed wealthy country that policies like those in the leaked manifesto can be paid for by distributing wealth more evenly. Most of europe manages it .

I just think is so dishonest of them, they are not telling people what they can't do, just making wild manifesto pledges, they know they can't change ownership for railways or energy for a great many years, they know much of this wouldn't get through parliament, and as much I understand why they are misleading the public in a last ditch attempt not to be wiped out, it's absolutely appalling that they are doing so blatantly.

sunnie, so basically privatise the NHS, spent all the time and money on brexit and equality would be nice, but really who has the time for it these days?

sunnie,
so basically privatise the NHS, spent all the time and money on brexit and equality would be nice, but really who has the time for it these days?

Just a few points:

1. There are claims that the 70s were miserable, yet Labour were not in power throughout the 70s.

The decade started with a Conservative Government. Conservatives like to forget about the 3 day week and their FIRST miners strike in the first half of the decade and sky high inflation. Yes, I did live through the 70s and the 80s. Even when Labour came to power, their majority was tiny and they formed a coalition with the Liberals. The Labour majority was never large - just a few seats.

1. Conservatives have NO high ground when claiming that Labour can't afford all this. We're having a 2nd bloody election in 2 years because the Conservatives blithely bribed everyone with promises in 2015 that they now cannot afford to deliver.

1. Labour have not yet costed their manifesto so claims of taxing the rich are a bit previous. I think it much more likely that they'll go for those rich corporations that have been paying minimal tax all these years and paying their workers peanuts.

With the sate of the NHS, education etc, the main focus now should be to get the Tories out. Protest voting is NOT appropriate here at this time! Come on people, do we really want to see the end of the NHS, do we really want to steal that away from our children and future generations?

The Labour leadership can change, if they win the Labour party will unite to get the job done. One thing is for certain, if we are stuck with the Tories we can kiss goodbye to almost everything that is good in this country and condemn the poor and disabled to decades of suffering even more than they already have. The Tories have shown that they will cheat to win, they will move the goalposts to make it look like they are winning and more likely to won in the future, the whole time they are failing this country and the polls still have them ahead! How can this happen again! Trump in the US, a complete nightmare and we are heading to the same place here because people are stuck not seeing the long term picture.

I should say "Labour have not yet published their costings".

Mother At present, although lots of people SAY the Tories want to privatise the NHS, they themselves have not. Doesn't mean they won't, but it's still a valid point to state. I'm afraid there are too many rose tinted glasses around. The world has changed. Britain has changed. The NHS as it currently stands is simply not fit for purpose and cannot be. It's not about whether I want a privatised NHS or not, it's about whether we can ensure there IS an NHS or not. The idea that we can continue to pour money into it and it will magically be solved is so ridiculously naive.

The Tories introduced the first bit of PFI into the NHS but private money into the NHS went ballistic during the Blair years. Labour did far more in terms of "privatising" the NHS than the Tories ever have.

These threads are a waste of electrons because this GE will be a re-run of 1983. Labour will be annihilated.

I should say "Labour have not yet published their costings"

No and there is a reason this is "leaked" and not published. It's so underhand it really is.

I read the leaked manifesto today and thought I hope no one votes for them. What a load of tosh. How on earth can a rise in corporation tax pay for all that.

Labour's maths isn't their strong point

Op you have managed to clearly lay out exactly what lunacy we would be in for with clueless Corbyn in charge, so would like to thank you for that!

Happily of course it isn't going to happen, but it is a stark waning of just how far to the left this man is. Britain under Corbyn. A terrifying thought.

This is what I love about politics in the UK, you can vote for someone who would do their honest best for the country, who may not be able to deliver on all their promises, but will have a damn good try. Or you could vote for a Party who will fuck you over, time and time again, but that's ok, because you know they're going to do it, and they'll deliver when they say that's what they are going to do.Words fail me!

Exactly.
People just accept there is no money because the Tories say so,..when what they mean is there is no money for taking care of the majority of people.
Things will get so bad under the Tories that we will be back to the 1800s when people had no rights or housing or food.
The people who are not at the bottom now soon will be.

The carving up of the NHS is already happening. They want to remove the A&E in my hope town , one of the biggest in Uk and with a huge student population . They also want to demolish our busy and excellent hospital , sell the land and build a small " planned care " with operating theatres and no intensive care unit. They intend to use PFI again. People will die and they don't care.

Deedee I'm not suggesting the NHS be privatised.

I'm suggesting that the more people who can afford to access health insurance the more room to breathe the NHS has.

Lots of non- emergency surgeries and consultations could be done via health insurance, allowing the NHS to work within its capacity.

The NHS can't stay as it is, it will collapse.

My local NHS TRUST are doing. Brilliant job of thinking outside of the box to integrate socialcare aspects to get people home and running the out of hours service out of the hospital has worked well.

They are also boosting the budget by car parking charges and a private post-op ward.

But it's a small trust in a very middle class area. I'm not sure it can be rolled out as successfully in larger trusts with higher levels of social deprivation.