To think we should just all vote for labour

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Renationalise the railways and energy companies.

Stoping any rises in pension age.

Taxing the top 5% to pay for oap social care.

No tax rises to people warning under 80k.

No to nuclear weapons.

Giving workers the right to strike.

Reverse legal aid cuts, giving the poorest people access to the legal system.

No target on immigration.

Banning driver only trains to keep the underground in safe hands.

Increased rights for the Roma.

Review of disability benefits changes.

Scraping tuition fees.

Honestly all such good ideas, we can get him ellected!

Girl jobs and boy jobs. I split the jobs up with my DP, seems perfectly normal for each of us to do something.

But I do like the idea of making striking easier. I often wake up on a Monday morning with a hangover headache and wish I could go on strike at the push of a button. I mean who cares that hundreds of people can't get to work if I dont turn up.

And I do like the £10 minimum wage. No need for my DC to get any training anymore if unskilled work pays the same as skilled work.

Bring it on. Netflix and chill.

stubbornstains the jobs won't go, no, but the students like DS2 won't be able to work them anymore. I don't quite understand what's funny about that? The reason students, especially student nurses like DS2, like zero hours contracts is that they aren't fixed and they can work them around their uni courses and placement hours.

Zero hours contracts aren't all bad. They work for a lot of people.

Fairy the nmw will go up to not far shy of £10 under Conservatives I believe? Is that included in your analysis.

Will I be voting for a mysoginistic, anti Semitic, delusional, 1970s throwback?

No.

How the eff are they going to PAY for it though?! Does he have an orchard of money trees or something?!

Didn't you know CheeseQueen that this is where Diane and her magic calculator will come into action!

Putting more money into the NHS will not solve anything if we do not have enough Doctors.

Well, it will if some of that money is used to......er......recruit more doctors . And pay the junior doctors a bit more. And it could really help with doctor retention levels, if there were more staff on, so everybody was less pressured, and junior doctors weren't pushed to think "Fuck it, I can't take it any more, I'm going to take my expensive NHS training abroad".

Yes, let's save the NHS by taxing senior doctors. It is not as if doctors gave ever suggested that they may move abroad...

Will I be voting for a mysoginistic, anti Semitic, delusional, 1970s throwback?

No, neither will I. I'm planning on voting Labour.

Every morning a new thread on why we should all vote Lanour. Shameless propaganda orchestrated by momentum?

ShatnersWig then you have to decide who is less shit. There is never a perfect party to vote for.

Having watched my disabled friends literally sob in fear over their future if the tories stay in power, I will be voting with whoever has the best chance at getting them out.

I take it most of you who like this labour manifesto are too young to have lived through the 70's when similar policies to these were in operation. Sadly I'm not. The 70's were miserable and Corbyn has learnt nothing and wants to take us back there.
The idea that "soaking the rich" will pay for this program is simply not viable and during Brexit when we need to do everything we can to attract business and investment to the UK, Labour would stop the UK economy in its tracks. The top 1% pay what is it ... abut 30% of income tax. History shows that if you put the tax up beyond a certain %, tax take goes down not up. Same for corporation tax.
Most people on £80k, whilst well off are not tax dodging fat cats. The vast majority will pay tax via PAYE and have very limited options for tax avoidance. The labour politics of envy will get us nowhere.
The costs involved in the renationalisation program would be vast and those who really think unionised public ownership will usher in some kind of golden age should really look back to the 70's.
All this unachievable, economicallyilliterate stuff and yet no coherent strategy for Brexit, other than giving away all our bargaining power up front. Well done Jezza!

Tax increase of the rich won't pay for all that.

I've no particular love for labour, but they didn't drag us into brexit just to pander to the far right.

So labour it is.

George Osborne said we would be out of bankers debt by now. Women, children and the disabled paid the price mainly and it didn't work, we are in worse debt. Labour will have a note from the Tories, sorry we messed up the finances and lives of the vulnerable.

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bojorojo sums it up perfectly.

Those earning more than £80k may not leave - but by increasing taxes, you are disincentivising them from working

A couple earning more than £80k each may figure that's it's just not worth the aggro.

I work to pay school fees. If they went up by 20%, we could not afford to do this anymore and would send kids to state school.

i could then give up work and be a SAHM and we could live in DHs pay. Or I could just become more part-time. Either way the total tax we pay as a family will go down.

Imagine, they could copy Reggie Maudling's note to Jim Callaghan

And we will cost the state more.

I don't think we are unusual. There are plenty of two earner families at my sons private school where the second income is for school fees.

Take away the need to pay school fees and you take away the need for both parents to work. Managing family life is so much easier with a SAHP.

I take it most of you who like this labour manifesto are too young to have lived through the 70's when similar policies to these were in operation. Sadly I'm not. The 70's were miserable and Corbyn has learnt nothing and wants to take us back there. Me too. I'm closer to 60 than 50.
And whether you like or not Jeremy is just another member of the metropolitan elite who never has to worry about money ever again.

George Osborne said we would be out of bankers debt by now.

That's right, the national debt has fuck all to do with Labour's public spending. All due to bankers.

So you're concerned about the debt, but you'll vote Labour, whose policies will increase the national debt exponentially? Because there is no magic money tree.

And this idea that if companies want to apply for government contracts, the difference between the highest and lowest salaries must be 20:1 or less - well that' won't work. So if a major international drugs company supplying the NHS employs an office cleaner or 18 year old on say £12k pa or less, then that CEO couldn't earn more than £120k? That is not viable in the real world.

Mateysmum.

You are right. It's not viable.

You will find that all the lower paid jobs will go out to service companies.

Secretaries, cleaners, admin staff can all be provided by service companies

So the wage of the lowest paid employees will now be middle management.

Nooooooo! some of us have the brains/intellect to see through labour ideas/fantasies

It's all very well saying "Labour will save the NHS" but they won't. Because, repeating myself, it actually isn't just about money but a total reorganisation and no one will do it. It frankly can't work any more. It's doing stuff if was never designed for. It is the fifth biggest employer in the world and despite the whole "Tories are killing it" (which I'm not necessarily disputing per se), staffing in the NHS went UP by 300,000 between 2010 and 2015 and Labour weren't in power then.

Most companies will already outsource their cleaners.

I'm sure you could outsource much of the admin too - and while you're at it - offshore it too. So it costs less.

HR admin and finance processing is already being done offshore.

These policies will just hasten it.

staffing in the NHS went UP by 300,000 between 2010 and 2015 and Labour weren't in power then.

Do you have a source for that?