To wish the EU would stop being so arsey with us!

[GreatAuntPrudish]

Juncker is an utter prick - leaking details of the dinner at No.10.
Then there's Barnier, Hollande and other EU officials warning us how ugly it's going to get.

Poland and France wanting to extract every last billion out of us!

They're playing into May's hands - giving her the opportunity to look like the Boudicca of the 21st century when she is actually an utterly useless PM.

I wish they'd show some consideration for the 48%

I'm a Remainer - still want to stay in EU - but it's starting to piss me off so there's little chance the leavers who were starting to wobble will want to stay now.

The Daily Mail are relishing it

If we leave the EU, we leave the EU. All the benefits that go with that go as well. It's entirely up to them if they want to negotiate with us - and May has given them no reason to want to...

In a nutshell.

In ten years time, Brexiteers will still be blaming the EU for everything going wrong. It will be all the EU's fault because the UK lost all the benefits of the EU when it left the EU.

You do know how long it took to negotiate the FTA with Canada?

...negotiations started in 2008 (and even they were building on years of preparatory work on an agreement which was never completed). And it's only from April this year that it gas started to be implemented

No wonder that some in the EU think that the UK is deluded. An FTA is a massive amount of work.

Tbh I don't think we will get a deal at the end of the 2 years. We may as well walk away now and save our energy & cash.

But we can't just walk away... don't you underatand we have liabilities that we need to satisfy?

We are still liable for pensions of UK employees in the EU for example. How are you so nieve?

some of the ideas coming from EU countries sound like they want the UK to keep paying for somethings without deriving any benefit - just to save the remaining 27 from digging into their pockets. Also there is the question of the UK share of EU assets that have been built up with the aid of UK contributions.

That is vague.
What somethings and what assets?

What I get from the negotiations is that the UK still want the benefits without contributing and without staying.
It sounds to me like someone who leaves their spouse and kids, forgets there's still a mortgage and maintenance, but still wants contact and to play happy parent.

In any case, for what seems to me like a balanced view:

www.cer.org.uk/publications/archive/policy-brief/2017/%E2%82%AC60-billion-brexit-bill-how-disentangle-britain-eu-budget

"Any compromise should be built around three broad principles: on an annual basis, any UK legacy payments must be less than its EU membership contribution; the settlement should be presented as ‘Brexit implementation costs’ rather than tied to specific liabilities, like EU pensions; and Brexit should not leave the EU out of pocket for the last two years of its current long-term budget (2019 and 2020). Britain should separately negotiate terms and contribution rates to stay in EU research programmes and the European Investment Bank."

For those shocked at what the EU wants, and the UK wants, remember that they are also negotiation starting positions.

Im sorry GreatAuntPrudish but they're going make an example of Britain so other countries don't follow you out of the EU.

'in my eyes it was a vote of current sacrifice for the future generations.'

You might want to have those eyes tested.

'My mind is firmly made up so your wasting your time here.'

Are you trying to type 'you're' dear?

'your nearly a year late sorry.'

It should be 'you're' here also.

HTH

please learn to spell a basic word

your wasting your time here

Well that was faster than expected.

I remember how fun it was when younger to go online and think I knew it all and go and debate with people who, presumably, had thought about things far less than me, and needed my wisdom bestowed upon them. Even better if they resisted, I could try to put them down with oh-so-witty remarks.

Your age is showing through every single one of your posts. I hope you look back and cringe, as I do with some of my past online ego-driven behaviour, sooner rather than later. Or just step away from the keyboard instead of inflicting such an attitude on other people who have done nothing to deserve it.

Look at you losing your shit when you're given a taste of your own medicine!

Jassy Sorry, dh away, so have been enjoying having control of the remote.

As the wording is vague as to the shape of any future relationship, it is not inconceivable that this means a trade deal, what other relationship does the EU envisage? There is nothing I can find in the Treaty about the exit process with A50, so the EU are presumably making it up as they go along?

'That's'

Why not sleep on it and see if you think you've been a muppet tomorrow, eh dear?

It's bloody terrifying that we will have to scramble around the globe attempting to secure trade deals from a position of obvious weakness.

It's unbelievable that the government have decided to position us as an uncooperative, unreliable partner who's reluctant to honour their commitments and pay their debts.

Not a good start.

Put the wine down and go to bed.

Also, last time I checked I voted in line with the older and wiser of the population.

Older, yes. Wiser, that's hugely debatable.

consider how the process and/or deal may have been better if the country actually had the ability to discuss between leave and remain

That is not the problem with the process. The problem is that there was NO PLAN ON HOW TO LEAVE to start with. The whole problem with the process and lack of possible deal remains firmly at the door of the leaver side. Particularly those who campaigned for it. And those who allowed the Referendum to take place without any firm proposals in place.

It's bloody terrifying that we will have to scramble around the globe attempting to secure trade deals from a position of obvious weakness.

Yes.

I know I am banging on a bit, but why no plan? Will it all be behind-closed-doors meetings with car companies, each holding us over the barrel?

Exactly, Lweji.