Because of course being a woman is all about wearing pink and makeup

[thundercunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/03/jordan-raskopoulos-makeup-is-this-proto-symbol-of-femininity?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Ffs - it's like a bloody game of dress-up!

Peppered, not pepper red.

I always come back to these issues seeming to be more about defining masculinity than redefining femininity.

im jealous of the stay on lipstick. Lipcote stings like fuck

Oh yay yet more bollocks to reinforce gender stereotyping 🙄

I'm worried now about what I am - I've never bought a lipstick, I don't wear make up - I do have a pink Tshirt - and to my horror, have just realised I've been using men's deodorant .........

To my shame it's only as an adult did I realise that deep-water oil rigs stay afloat by floats and propellers - to think I am a STEM person and its not like they can have legs 3 km long (unlike in the North Sea which is only about 30m deep).

Yes, us actual women are just secretly jealous of a man who dresses up as one. Now I've heard it all.

I was this morning when a nursery mum joked I was a crap girl because I never wear makeup/"feminine" clothes and spent the weekend watching football/boxing/F1. I fairly tartly pointed out that no, I'm not a girl, I'm a woman and what I choose to wear/put on my face/watch on the fucking telly is bugger all to do with my vagina!

Ah don't you know, us women don't really exist... Our identities are mere costumes that any man can wear better. We're just creatures without penises, a real woman has a penis and six inch heels. Apparently.

Thank you for the replies. Thought provoking stuff. I have two friends who are trans women (post surgery, one 20 years ago, the other 7) and they find articles such as this patronising and facile too.

I keep waiting for the Guardian to come out with something that will tempt me back to being a subscriber....and then.....this tedious, tendentious drivel

It's a stupid and patronising premise for a series of articles.

Whoever the interview is going to look like a self absorbed twat.

suppressed jealousy perhaps

Jealous of what? Are you Sigmund Freud?

Whoever they interview. FFS

I've been watching Mad Men recently, this idea wouldn't look out of place as a plot line in that. Except, even in the 1960s I think someone would have suggested it was pretty inane.

I'm with you there MsHoolies. I bloody hate shopping. The internet is my friend.

To be honest I just find things like this depressing. To reduce the female sex to meaning that you like pink and makeup is offensive and is imo akin to cultural appropriation, picking the most obvious stereotypical markers of something then claiming it as your own while also insisting you do it better than the originators. Why can't you just be yourself, a man who likes to wear makeup? Humans are not all identikit drones who can only chose certain interests based on their sex, and to lump women as being only interested in the frippery of looking pretty fuckable is mind---- blowingly dense.

It is interesting that MTT always seem to chose to present themselves as the misogynistic fantasy of what a woman should be. You never see MTT with a pixie cut and dungarees, all of the trans people I have encountered appear to want to look as much like a pornstar as possible. I don't know any women who dress like this, even for a big night out. The first trans person I encountered was in a nightclub toilet, they were putting on makeup in the mirror and then proceeded to shout (much louder than necessary as their friends were next to them) about how they needed to adjust their dick because it was hard to tuck it up in the knickers over fishnets they were wearing. I felt uncomfortable and I'm sure many others did, and I'm pretty sure it was intentional on the MTTs part as making it obvious that you have a penis in what at the time should have been a sex segregated space isn't nice for the people who are actually entitled to use that toilet and might be using it as a safe space to avoid the creepy penis owners in the club itself.

Women are so so much more than makeup and their physical appearance, we are not just fuckholes and incubators for the next generation. The more that the rigidly gendered trans ideology seeps into society the more we will see women becoming less and less valued and negative stereotypes will prevail. But because we are women we are not allowed to challenge it, because a mans feeling of being a woman trumps a woman's legitimate fear of being further discriminated against and reduced to the 'CIS' subcategory of woman while men are real women.

Makes me so so angry that there isn't really anything I can do without being accused of a hate crime.

Sorry. It's a link from the Daily Fail.

Transgender teen, inspired by the Kardashians, finds solace in makeup.

I can't help feeling that he needs psychiatric help rather than hormones and a vanity case.....

To be fair Jordan doesn't look particularly feminine. What mostly struck me is how grumpy they look. As a reader of fantasy books (an non wearer of make up) I thought the interview was totally uninteresting, it seems to be an interview about bring trans in some sort of disguise.

I read the other two interviews and was struck by what a really weird and random idea for an interview series, the book bits and makeup bits really jar against each other. I wonder when they will be asking male writers about their mothers lipsticks or skin care routines.

This TW writer maybe explains better the relationship and problems of transitioning from masculine to feminine.

www.romper.com/p/im-a-transgender-mom-no-one-told-me-how-hard-itd-be-to-find-my-own-style-53606/amp

Another recent article from a transwoman and why make up is important to her.

www.bustle.com/p/how-eyeliner-defines-my-womanhood-54595

What I find really disturbing is the new uber-make-up look with the heavy contouring etc which just makes women look like transwomen.

Nah, the contouring and overdrawn lips, etc. makes women look like drag queens, not transwomen.

Transwomen, as a general rule, don't look nearly as good as drag queens

Is it camouflage, do you think?

Get everyone wearing drag queen/porn star style makeup and then the transvestites can blend in more easily?

A cisgender woman who doesn’t wear makeup is still every bit a woman.

I don't know why but this statement from that second article Bambam shared really got my back up. There is no such thing as a cis woman he even refers to his partner as a cisgender woman. Grim.

I am clearly not a woman as I don't wear make up. I blame my mum because she didn't either. Come to think of it neither did my Grandma. Does this mean I'm a bloke?