Because of course being a woman is all about wearing pink and makeup

[thundercunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/03/jordan-raskopoulos-makeup-is-this-proto-symbol-of-femininity?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Ffs - it's like a bloody game of dress-up!

I can't wait until 'cis' is widely recognised as the offensive, hate language that it is.

I'm not a fucking cis anything.

I have two xx chromosomes, I am a woman,whatever I decide to wear and whoever I decide to be attracted to.

Whoever came up with that term must hate trans people. My mtf neighbour winces at it, and says it makes it harder for someone like her to just get on with life. She describes herself as 'trans'.

No need to reassign our word, just own your own.

All that effort and money, just to look like an androgynous former member of a 90's Indie band. Either Brian Molko or that woman from Kenickie, I can't decide.

She doesn't JUST talk about makeup. She talks about books and Warhammer, ffs!

Dinosaurs- stop with the cis terminology. There is no such thing as a cis woman. There are women...

I have just read the other two articles in that series. They're clearly really scraping around to find authors that want to talk about make up. What a totally shit concept for a series of articles. They're all horribly badly written puff pieces.

The Grauniad really has become utterly shit hasn't it?

They're clearly really scraping around to find authors that want to talk about make up.

Presumably that's why they gave up on women and used a man.

What on earth is a cis-woman????

Lostpeppers in my world most women don't wear makeup every day. I certainly don't and find this sort of article very misogynistic and it perpetuates sex role stereotypes (which are damaging to women). Why does no-one ever question why boys and men can't just go ahead and wear make-up? I certainly don't care if they do. I don't own makeup and don't care about it at all. Currently lactating and caring for the baby I carried for 9 months so yup, no makeup in the house, but definitely a woman.

You're all evading my point that this column features other women talking books and beauty who AREN'T trans. Are they vapid wannabes as well? Strange how objections against a certain kind of femininity are only made when it's a trans woman talking...

MrsSherlock - a cis-woman is a woman. It's a term invented by trans people and their slavish supporters to 'widen the bandwidth' of what being a woman is - so that women is now a category which includes cis-women and transwomen.

It is an utterly bizarre idea that playing with make up is an exclusively female right of passage anyway. Has anyway told that to my husband, who is better at applying eye liner than I am, thanks to his goth youth?

If a cis woman

Sorry what?? Don't you mean an actual, xx chromosome carrying women???

You're all evading my point that this column features other women talking books and beauty who AREN'T trans. Are they vapid wannabes as well? Strange how objections against a certain kind of femininity are only made when it's a trans woman talking...

I think this series is utter drivel and should be axed right now. Is that clear enough?

Transmisogyny? This isn't even a thing. It isn't a word.

What a stupid concept for a series of articles, I really don't get what the Guardian thinks they're adding to the world with this guff. Beauty has nothing to with books.

Actually, Dinosaur , FeedMeAndTellMeImPretty said

"If a WOMAN (I do not accept the word cis, I find it offensive) talked about nothing but make up, I'd think she were a vacuous twat as well."

I, and many others I'm sure, feel exactly the same.

That's a really crap article. Jordan is a parody comedian and I do wonder if some of that is just taking the piss.

That is the most bizarre interview set I have ever seen.

I get they like computer games, Have read a couple of books and put on makeup. But really - who gives a toss?

Since when would any teenager be seen dead in pink, anyway?

periperi exactly. I imagine that female authors, who have probably had to battle sex role stereotypes quite a lot wouldn't be keen to perpetuate them. I remember hearing an interview with Marion Keyes about how the publishers insisted her works had covers that would appeal to female readers - she didn't seem too impressed - and said that she felt, if she had been a man, her work would never have been called "chick-lit"

I agree that the series is stupid and should be axed, but I didn't find anything that Raskopoulos said offensive. The part about wearing a lot of pink and makeup was about how the adolescent experimentation phase is condensed for transwomen into a few months instead of several years of trying things out for those born as girls. If anything I read it as her considering the pink and lots of makeup a mistake, a stage, as she evolved her own style. God knows I wore some weird stuff as a teen.

At no point did she say that being a woman was about pink or makeup.

Oh I see, it's a label given to women who are born female. I'm female and I am a women. There is no such thing as a cis women. What a load of bollocks.

I don't need to wear make up, wear my hair long or wear dresses to prove my gender. It's bizarre and illogical that trans people think that following gender stereotypes will make them more the gender they wish to be.

Gender is a social construct.

Sex is determined at conception.

I wear trousers, no make up, don't shave my pits or wear nail polish, etc. I identify as female, a woman.

If they wanted a series about beauty and books, far better to look at the often utterly stunning and highly individual artwork used on covers and endpapers.

I was actually coming on to say how silly it is to assume that there is a recognised pink and makeup adolescent stage that every woman has to go through.

But that was before I realised this was another trans thread.

woman not women