Because of course being a woman is all about wearing pink and makeup

[thundercunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/03/jordan-raskopoulos-makeup-is-this-proto-symbol-of-femininity?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Ffs - it's like a bloody game of dress-up!

bogqueen computer games aren't mentioned once...

Oh I assumed 'Warhammer' was a computer game. Is it a book? How do you 'play' literature?

dinosaursandtea Don't be disingenuous. Women discussing make up just talk about make up. This article talks about "Makeup being this proto-symbol of femininity".

Quite a number of women have come on to this thread to say that make up is NOT a symbol of feminity as far as they are concerned. That is their view, as women who live and breathe. Not an dealised view of what a woman might be like if you were ignoring that women are as varied as men are. To suggest that the female half of the population is defined by something as surface oriented as makeup is both limited and naive.

Yes, women on average wear more makeup than men. But to wear makeup and claim that doing so is a core element of feminity is performing a cliched parody of feminity, which is offensive.

Why can't there just be feminine masculine and masculine feminine people?

Why do silly socially constructed gender stereotypes have to followed or transitioning deemed necessary? Why not just be, without surgically reconstructing the anatomy?

I feel really sad for trans people.

War hammer is bit like Dungeons & Dragons, so a table top fantasy war game.

I just don't get the point of a series of columns about beauty and books. How utterly fatuous.

"How utterly fatuous."

Isn't it just? I have no idea what the Guardian was thinking of.

On the plus side, yesterday they published a 10,000 word piece entitled "Where oil rigs go to die".

For those of us who are more interested in oil rigs than make-up.

Yes dinosaur there is mention of the game Warhammer, but it is referenced as useful practise for painting on make up, because obviously all women who play fantasy war games do so with one eye on their eyeliner technique

Oh

bogqueen sorry- I meant to make a funny comment about female people not knowing or being interested in warhammer afterwards, but got disturbed. My comment just looked snarky, sorry!
Warhammer is a table-top miniatures game.
Don't let any of your children get into it, whatever their gender, because the costs involved are eyewatering!

It's such an odd idea for a series of articles.

Apparent check list for being a woman:
(tick all that apply!)

wears pink ✗
Wears make up ✗
"Excited about any and all beauty products" ✗
"Getting hair done look pretty" ✗

Oh dear... seems I'm not a woman either

hackmum thanks for oil rig article tip. I do think their "long reads" are often utterly fascinating.
I liked the one about the chap that disappeared off-grid, and the one about The North Face/Patagonia development.

When all these trans threads started I was scared the overwhelming majority would think the whole trans movement great. I'm so relieved woman are seeing it for what it is, and complaining vociferously.

Fucking "cis" - stick the word up your arse. I am not a cis woman. All the bullshit we have to put up with.

Male to female trans people that are in the public eye don't seem to have clue what a woman is. It most definitely is not pink and make-up and calling yourself a fluffy name. If they knew it's no different to what they were feeling before (in fact there is no particular "feeling") - that they can wear the same clothes without changing gender they wouldn't bother. They have a false idea of what it is all about - they aim for a more "feminised" version than all the women I know. They cannot identify with what a true female is then, imo.

Where this statistic came from and whether it is true or not I don't know but on one of these threads it came up that 80% of men don't have the operation to have a vagina. Why bother? I thought having to pee out a penis every day was what would constantly remind them they were men and would be mentally unhealthy for them. Surely if they really believed they'd been born into the wrong body they'd want rid of all signs of being a male as soon as possible? But it seems they don't care if this 80% figure is correct. So why are they doing it? Is it a fad/fashion for most? I thought they'd want every experience of being a woman including sex.

Apparent check list for being a woman:
(tick all that apply!)

wears pink ✔️
Wears make up ✔️
"Excited about any and all beauty products" ✗
"Getting hair done look pretty" ✔️

Oops someone had better tell my 17 y/o son that he's actually my daughter

He spends more time taming his pink hair than I've ever spent on mine and he's no stranger to a bit of guy liner. I'm guessing his GF will also be thrilled to learn that she's a lesbian.

Seeing the number of men who now wax and use beauty products, I'm wondering what wabout do be the result of this idea that being a woman is being careful about your looks and having a beauty regime.
I want articles from men in the mainstream media such as the Guardian telling us all about the beauty regime of men and the beauty Régime of our previous PM, incl exercise routine etc....

And then having removed the automatic link on women=beauty products/make up etc..., I'm wondering what trans women will tomdefine themsleves(as the rules they are using now will also be the Ines that some men use)

For those of us who are more interested in oil rigs than make-up

Must look that up. There was something on the news yesterday about the world's biggest floating crane (or something) to be used to pick up old oil rigs from the North Sea and bring them into land for decommissioning. It was very impressive.

One of the other really interesting things I've watched recently was a programme about capping off the Chernobyl reactor in a hope of preventing all the residual radioactive waste from being released into the environment - The Guardian has an article on that too including a timelapse video of the thing being built.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/29/chernobyl-nuclear-disaster-site-covered-with-shelter-prevent-radiation-leaks-ukraine

It has been one of the world's biggest and most expensive engineering project and because the radiation levels are still so high there, they've had to build the cover a distance away and drive it over the reactor on rails. The full documentary is mesmerising.

I thought they'd want every experience of being a woman including sex. Annie, they certainly don't seem to be enjoying the oppression and marginalisation - welcome to womanhood boys - people will dismiss your feelings and tell you that your plight is not important to them. Fun isn't it?!

Sounds interesting Barbara, but unless they cover that shit in pink glitter I'm not watching

If a woman likes being girly? great if she doesn't want to fit that stereotype ? Also great , the anger from some on this thread reads like deeper issues , suppressed jealousy perhaps

But seriously, what needs to happen is that men need to feel able to wear make up, wax, like pink and anything soft and fluffy without feeling obliged to state that it must be because they are actually a trans woman. Because they're not, they're men.

Just like women don't stop being women because they don't necessarily like make up, or like oil rigs or nuclear reactors as well.

Have a look at the 'Centering Women' Facebook page.

Jojo - jealousy really?!

I'd best hand in my wimmin's club id card.

I do like pink, though, but the sort of deep raspberry that looks great with my fair skin, dark salt and pepper red (short) hair and blue eyes.

Peppered, not pepper red.