Would you report someone for smoking with their child in the car?

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Just walked past a woman waiting in her car for infant school gates to open. There was a child in the front seat. She was blowing her smoke out the window and I looked round because I could smell it and wondered where it was coming from.

Or should I just mind my own business?

Slight derail but why has the hot dog mum thread been removed 🤔😲

MNHQ have reason to believe it's fake, KungFu. It surprises me, given the OP of that thread seemed to develop the story naturally as time went on. She also didn't seem very troll like with any of her replies. Baffling.

You're being a bit daft user.

You go on about how police work without explaining what that's based on. I imagine that reports of smoking in a car with a child police could check cctv footage in the time/area for corroboration for instance. No idea if they'd bother tbh tho. But it's not insane to report minor crimes even if not much gets done case by case

It's actually your posts that read very right/wrong black/white in my view. And
I don't know what all the attacking phyliss is about apart from she disagrees with you. But so do a fair number on here.

I just had to say I do wish we lived in a world where SS and police had the time and resources to tackle this. This would mean that serious abuse and crimes didn't happen,or at least they would be a lot less.

Getting witnesses for a woman smoking in her car

Mind your own business.

Just to illustrate the gulf that is opening up between 'the law' in theory and the reality of what's enforceable, I can give you a driving related example. My city, through its councillors, has introduced widespread 20mph zones on all roads bar major arterial routes. The police explained very clearly to the councillors making the decision that they would not have the resource to enforce the 20mph limit and so it would be better not to introduce it except on routes where the road design made it effectively 'self-policing'. The councillors decided virtue signalling was more important and ignored the police advice. Now every council meeting is taken up with hand wringing over why we have a law that isn't enforced. The police are still very clear that they can't do everything or be everywhere - and when asked to approve police priorities for the next three months, the same councillors always choose tackling burglary, anti-social behaviour, drug dealing and the like, for obvious reasons, instead of instructing police to enforce the 20mph zone.

You are then left with a very unsatisfactory situation where the law is undermined and everyone knows it - but that's because it should never have been adopted in the first place.

I feel sad at how people are comparing this crime to dog fouling. That is a stupid antisocial thing to do of course but smoking in a car with a child is dangerous and harmful. Do those who think it's minor and not worthy of reporting not realise how much harm it can do to a small child's lungs?

I didn't compare it to dog fouling. I was using it as an example of a minor offence.

Of course it affects a child's lungs but it is still a minor criminal offence.

Hilarious that user1493022461 is now being called a troll for talking sense

And I;m also the other party in a thread that was deleted for being a troll post in the first place! Can't believe these people fell for the hotdog one....actually I can totally believe it.

it is my right to be able to report it

That's the point, really, isn't it? You don't report because it helps anyone, but to make yourself feel important and superior. Maybe a hobby would help, or proper volunteering, actually be helpful to someone instead of just clapping yourself on the back?

I imagine that reports of smoking in a car with a child police could check cctv footage in the time/area for corroboration for instance

You can imagine that all you like, it's never going to happen.

If you didn't believe the OP of the hotdog mum thread, then why did you bother to waste your time to post in the thread?

I'm pregnant, married and have a full time job. I don't need any new hobbies or to begin volunteering. Don't be so patronising.

I posted saying that the OP's story was unfolding in a conveniently dramatic manner and the numpties on there all accused me of being the hotdog mother.
Actually, I think that was you, wasn't it? You were one of the ones frothing and fawning over the troll......

I'm pregnant, married and have a full time job. I don't need any new hobbies or to begin volunteering

Wow, does being married take all your time? And of course you need to keep some hours for rounding up witnesses every time you see someone park illegally or have a fag....

I told you to stop being so unpleasant on the forum. I told the OP to go to the school. That was it.

Numpties? Your style reminds me of Katie Hopkins, without the humour.

I wouldn't know, who in their right mind actually reads La Hopkins? I'll leave that to you,

I certainly do not go out of my way to read or see anything from Katie Hopkins. You're certainly more the type to read The Daily Mail. Your tone of posts would certainly fit the sort of person who floods their comments section with vile comments.

You're the one seemingly au fait with her style. Nail down a thought for more than a second, if you can.

No i wouldnt report it unless i saw the same person doing it over and over again, or there were other issues that led me to believe the child was being neglected.
My parents used to chain smoke in the car with me.
Ive never smoked myself but i honestly dont see what the difference is between cigarette smoke and traffic fumes? Government doesnt want to do much about pollution but it will fine the odd member of the public for smoking..... wonder why that is eh? for our health and safety or to drum up cash?

@Ceto, that user was in the hotdog mum thread, standing up for the hotdog mum. That is why I said it

That doesn't make it any less offensive, Phyllis. Hotdog mum, if she exists, is racist. Accusing another poster of being her therefore equates to an accusation that that poster is racist.

@DorothyParker. The virtue signalling stuff is a good point and worrying. This new law has deficits when it comes to enforceability and could be seen like that. But I think the harm done needs tackling more than the speed reduction. Although could one compare evidence? No idea. I am hopeful of some attitude change around this as a consequence- just as with seat belts and smoking in pubs.

User - well my imagining is based on research interviews with police in last 2 years that included them talking me through how they wOrk. It was on a different area so it's debatable how much of that method they use but not a bad assumption.
What information and knowledge is your view based on?

@user1493022461, most people in the UK know what Katie Hopkins, you don't have to be an avid reader of the Daily Mail to know that she writes cuttingly without any feeling behind what she says. You completely lack any form of emotional intelligence in your posts. You have referred to posters as numpties. You have implied I'm thoughtless, that I have the intelligence level of a 5 year old, insinuated that my masters was in a subject such as golf studies, and the list goes on. You cannot expect to try and win any sort of argument on this forum when you so obviously get frustrated and chuck childish insults about that are personal. If you're really like that in person (and this isn't some online persona), then you're the one I have concern for in the real world. I would go and get yourself checked out at the doctors.

@Ceto loads of people were implying it in the thread before I had even given it a thought, and to be frankly honest, user has chucked a load more insults my way than I have hers.

I think you'll find you have to read or listen to peoples views to be able to compare them to others. So you're a Hopkins fan, why not own it?

I'm not! She's hardly someone you can get away from - every time she posts something there is moral outrage and people share it across social media. She's a far right woman, I'm left wing. Complete polar opposites.

Of course I wouldn't.