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AIBU - dog attack :-(

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anonymoosy · 01/05/2017 19:38

Sorry this is long, but I’m honestly feeling traumatised. I don’t usually get this upset and I need some help with advice and whether I was BU.

We’ve been a bit stir-crazy this weekend due to having to stay in the house for various reasons, so I suggested a big family walk with the dog today, somewhere we haven’t been before (Nat Trust).
We’re about 15mins into the walk, having a nice time, dog on a lead (as he always is – no recall) and bumping along with other families and dogs. So far, so nice.
Our dog is a knee-size fluffy family pet. Walking down the path I see another similar size dog, continue walking past as normal, and the dog runs over to ours and I see it is on a lead, but one of those long retractable leads that hasn’t been pulled in, so essentially, it’s not under any kind of control. It bounds up to ours and then goes snarling straight for him – straight for his neck and no messing around. It’s a Staffie and I admit, I freeze because I’m terrified if I pull, I’ll injure my dog and DC are watching and I shout for my husband to get them apart and want to go and get the children away. But I’ve frozen.
Thank god our dog has ridiculously thick fur, and bless him he stood his ground as much as he could without getting into the fight, just trying to get away.
People were standing around watching and from the other family, the dad and my DH jumped in to separate them and untangle the leads. I thought my dog was a goner.

Ok – so here’s my bit. I’m horrified because I froze then completely snapped, lost my temper and shouted at the dog and then the man to ‘get your dog of my dog’ and then something utterly ridiculous like ‘how dare you let your dog attack my dog’ – I was so scared and panicking and felt so fecking helpless I was angrier than I’ve ever been before. I was volcanic.
I could hear him and my DH being reasonably calm once they had got the dogs apart, and he was saying ‘he’s never done this before’.
I said something like ‘you should keep your dog under control’ but then his wife said ‘ I told you to keep walking on’. I think it was the adrenaline, but I’m completely not usually like this, but I squared up to her as I thought this was completely rude – and shouted ‘how could I? Your dog had a hold of my dog’. She then made out it wouldn’t have happened if I moved on. I was fuming that she could even suggest it was my fault. I might have shouted something like ‘how dare you tell me what I should do – your dog attacked mine’.
My DH guided me away and told me the man had apologised, and then the other man then shouted at me ‘look, I’ve said twice I was sorry.’
I calmed down a bit and said a very angry thank you, but that was not what his wife was saying, but DH pulled me on and I knew it was better if I just walked on as I didn’t want the children to see all of this.
Thankfully my doggy is okay, and further down the track (I was in tears) the man shouted to ask if our dog was okay.
I powered on. But it was so horrible, and I was scared the DCs were about to be bitten or see their dog ripped to pieces, added to the fact people were staring at me crying, I feel totally and utterly traumatised. I’m also angry that DH made me walk on when I frankly wanted to read the riot act to the woman, I can’t get past feeling upset. I now feel completely traumatised and keep bursting into tears and getting angry. I can’t believe I turned shouty and angry – it’s not like me AT ALL.
How do I get past this? I feel like I never want to be around other dogs again. Has this happened to you and how did you deal with it? It scares me that if I was on my own I'd have struggled to act.

AIBU to have had an angry shouty reaction like this and what can I do now? I'm fine and then it all keeps making me get cross/cry.

OP posts:
LucieLucie · 02/05/2017 01:42

How awful! I hope you and your dog are okay.

My dog was also attacked by a Staffy as she went near it on a footpath. I also froze as the screams she made during the attack were horrendous I thought she was going to be really seriously injured.

I told the twat of an owner it should be muzzled but got a mouthful of abuse from him.
Turns out his dog has form in our village for being aggressive towards others and has bitten before and numerous people have said the same - get it muzzled!!!

I don't care what anyone says about this breed of dog but I'd cross the road to avoid one now. They are very reactive towards other dogs and seem to turn so quickly.

I reported the guy to the dog warden, you should do the same.

Don't assume you're the only victim, he should have had it on s short lead and now muzzled. But guess what, he probably won't cos he will blame everyone else's normal happy dogs for getting too close. Hmm

I carry a multi tool now and would use it to save my dogs life if I needed to

LucieLucie · 02/05/2017 01:45

Oh and sleep that's a very patronising post.

Guepe · 02/05/2017 02:16

I've kicked a stranger's dog before when it attacked my partner's dog. I shouted at the owner

I've also been bitten by a random person's dog (that was actually on a lead), but my reaction was very measured.

I think the first incident 'triggered' me more because it was an attack on a helpless animal. YANBU at all.

affectionincoldclimate · 02/05/2017 02:59

I'm so sorry this happened. And YANBU! You were very restrained I thought. When this happened to me and my dog and sorry to say it was a Staffie off the lead with a pissed owner who rolled out of a pub pissed and completely not in control of the dog, I lost it. We separated the dogs and I screamed into the man's face. I believe a word that rhymes with 'punt' was used. My then husband had to lead me away as I was very close to decking the man (not violent person usually by any stretch of imagination)! Just the thought of my dog being mauled to death because some idiot was irresponsible sent me mad.
Our dog was fine in the end as the injuries were surface only although seeing your little Dachshund'a head in a vice of these huge jaws was terrifying enough to turn me into a banshee it seems. AngryShock

TheClaws · 02/05/2017 04:18

Oh wait, OP, next time your dog is attacked just check first what part of the neck the dog is chewing on before you respond, according to Sleep and Wando. No, I'm afraid you act on instinct to protect yourself and others from the toothy barky thing that has descended on you. Hmm

When I was attacked and bitten out on a walk - I didn't have my own dog, it was just me - I just reacted and kicked the thing off my leg. It had run out of an unsecured yard. When I passed the same house again another day, I saw the owner and said her dog had taken a chunk out of my leg. "Oh, I can't believe it! He's never done anything like that before!" Said by every dog owner ever.

I don't walk much any more as I'm just too frightened by what might barrel out of a garden.

Hidingtonothing · 02/05/2017 04:18

What a horrible experience OP, I would be shaken up too, I'm glad there are at least no physical injuries. I have 2 staffs and loathe owners who behave like this, much as I love the breed too many are owned by people who shouldn't be in charge of a goldfish let alone a powerful dog. I don't believe staffs are predisposed to aggression and I trust mine as much as it's safe to trust any dog but I would have to be an idiot to not be aware of the damage they could do in the wrong circumstances so it's my responsibility to make sure that never happens. I'm really sorry you've had such a horrible experience, I hope you feel better once the physical effects of the adrenaline have worn off, I wouldn't be surprised if you're in a bit of shock too Flowers

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 02/05/2017 09:00

LucieLucie, the AIBU posed was "AIBU to have had an angry shouty reaction like this and what can I do now? I'm fine and then it all keeps making me get cross/cry."

Facts from post are;

Dog was mouthed (not bitten, thick fur won't stop injury, especially from a strong jawed dog like a Staffie).
Husband was calm, untangled leads and conversed rationally with other owner.
OP's dog acted in a submissive way (which most likely prevented situation escalating).
OP started slinging match with woman (did she have the Staffie's lead or did her husband? If the latter, then OP was most certainly in the wrong to verbally attack this woman).
OP's husband had dealt with a fairly common scenario in best possible way (assume he has more experience with dogs).
OP wanted a ruck, even though situation had been diffused and no harm was done.
OP still cannot move on, this confuses husband who was not only present at scene but dealt with situation in correct way and recognises it for what it is.

For a comparison OP, my Greyhound was attacked by two large Staffie-type dogs. All three dogs off lead. He approached them very fast, they assumed aggression on his part. One latched onto his throat and the second his flank, both left puncture wounds. My dog's life was saved by owner's quick actions (two hoody-type young guys) who fought their dogs off mine and also because my dog's muzzle and wide greyhound collar took the brunt of the bite aimed at his jugular, sank straight through the thick leather to leave non lethal punctures both sides of neck. All the wounds needed stitching, his unprotected flank was especially bad. When dogs with locking jaws do bite, they mean it.

If OP doesn't want "patronising" advice, then steer clear of AIBU. An echo chamber of "OMG, I'd have done worse hun" is not helpful in the least.

My advice, listen to your husband OP, he clearly knows what he is doing, follow his lead and remain calm.

Coastalcommand · 02/05/2017 09:21

It sounds like you were upset OP but try not to let it bother you. Often these things look worse than they are.
If neither dog was hurt it was probably more of a wrestling match than an actual fight.
Don't let it put you off other nice days out or other dogs. Most are lovely.

UnbornMortificado · 02/05/2017 09:33

I love Staffies have had them years and have one currently, but I've always adopted and every one has been shit with other dogs.

I don't know if it's a breed trait or just bad luck but I would never risk a retractable lead. You were very restrained.

Aren't bull breeds known for having a high pain threshold or is that just a myth?

felinewonderful · 02/05/2017 10:07

Don't worry about your reaction, it was restrained and appropriate in the circumstances. Hope you and your dog are ok x

LadyPW · 02/05/2017 10:40

Love the way this has brought out the staffy-hate stories Angry
I've a staffy - great with other dogs, soft as anything, great on a retractable lead or off-lead, good recall, and when my eldest cat occasionally sinks his teeth into her when they're rolling around together she just takes it and gives him more licks.
The dangerous dogs that I've found - Boxers, and small nippy ones. They're the ones that do the damage.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 02/05/2017 10:58

Of course not all Staffies are aggresive LadyPW. All breeds have dominant and submissive dogs. Dogs with locking jaws are a problem when they bite. That includes Staffordshire Bull Terriers I'm afraid.

I'm sorry, but how is trying to start a fight with a person who was in no way responsible for what her dog did (she wasn't holding the Staffie's lead, her husband was) in any way reasonable? Your husband was right to lead you away before you showed yourself up even more OP.

You state you were stir-crazy in your opening sentence, so sounds like a ratty-mooded weekend all in all. I feel sorry for your husband frankly.

Google "a grip" then go get one.

SheRasBra · 02/05/2017 11:09

There's a big difference between a 'handbags' type situation where one dog is snarling and lunging but not biting and what is described here, which sounds more like an attack.

OP I'm so sorry you had this experience - it is terrifying and very upsetting. Your best course of action is to think about minimising any lasting upset to your pooch and then you will also feel more in control.

After my dog was attacked I became a bit over protective of her and I realised she was sensing my nervousness and becoming really submissive to every dog she met in case they attacked her. If you know people locally with nice dogs maybe you could arrange to meet up to rebuild your dog's confidence?

livelyredjellybean · 02/05/2017 12:15

To help both you and your dog gain confidence again, it may be worth talking to a pet behaviour counsellor - www.apbc.org.uk. They can help ensure your dog remains calm and happy around others and can teach you coping techniques for yourself.

tabulahrasa · 02/05/2017 12:25

Oh FFS, no dogs have locking jaws, they don't exist.

Yes it was a bit of a dog having a go rather than a full on attack, however, when your dog is on the receiving end you don't stand calmly back and wait to see whether it's going to be a bit of spit and noise or a gaping wound your dog is left with - your reaction is the same either way.

MakeUpMyRoom · 02/05/2017 12:50

How can people say you were restrained when you squared up to her? The next stage is actually hitting her and she'd have been well within the law "decking" you in self defense.

"traumatised"? "get over it"?

I'd be amazed if you're not entirely over it by the time the adrenaline (and its after effects) have worn off.

I'm sure it was unpleasant.

anonymoosy · 02/05/2017 14:41

Just back from work and I wanted to say thanks again to those of you who responded. It really did make the world of difference to hear your opinions and stories. I've been really shocked at how upsetting this was and how I felt. I also feel guilty that I didn't take the details and it goes on to do the same with a child or a smaller dog enjoying their day out.

For the record, I have had/been around dogs since I was small, but I've never had the experience (thank god) of the kind of aggressive attack that happened yesterday. I've had pulling at the lead, barking, snaps....but this was something else. This was a dog on a very loose leash making a fast run for my dog as we walked past. There was no other interaction. When a dog has my dogs neck in it's mouth and biting again and again I'm not presuming it is going to end well, especially with the children watching their beloved pet being attacked. I also panicked about an out of control dog and the fact there were loads of children (and mine) around. When I saw it was a staffy, I was scared - they can do a lot of damage - as can others too. I'm not going to avoid saying it's breed. Mine is a junior Samoyed with a thankfully ridiculously fluffy neck.

Wow....some of these most recent replies are just 'wow'. Not that I mind hearing both sides of the coin - I'm happy to be hear 'get a grip' if that's your opinion, but one of you is being ridiculously rude and you're even being rude to other posters.

If this had been a child and not a dog, should the parents have been grateful the aggressive dog was only 'playing'? I also wasn't going to hit the lady, I simply said I lost my temper, squared up and challenged her over her aggressive dog attacking and it all scared me because I've never lost it like that before.

Anyway, thanks for the caring responses. Doggy is a bit mopey but eating well and has had a good play in the garden. I've slept (albeit with a nightmare about dogs biting my DD) and I'm taking him for a quick check over later. Thank you again - I was really touched.

OP posts:
LucieLucie · 02/05/2017 20:20

Take care op and ignore the aggressive posts from sleep. She's obviously not getting much of that at home Grin

It's amazing the people who think they know it all, even all about your husband when they weren't even there.

Jenda · 02/05/2017 21:01

Don't best yourself up, you were and still are in shock and things come out of our mouths when we are frightened. That is very different to you being some shouty yob! Have a glass of wine and relax with your doggy. Glad you are all ok WineFlowers

Desperateforsleepzzzz · 02/05/2017 21:21

Don't worry when my dog was attacked I kicked the other dog, cried and said "fuck off" to a dog about 20 times, then cried! It wasnt on a lead and again had "never done that before", if my dog was aggressive it would be on the lead with muzzle it's bloody selfish to let it have a run when it's aggressive.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 02/05/2017 21:52

LucieLucie, for someone critical of those who "know it all" you sure do make a lot of assumptions about me.

Anonymoosy, your OP was quite explicit in how things went down. Glad you're concerned about what your kids saw. Wonder what they've learned from the experience.

  1. If a dog goes for your dog when on a walk, remain calm, untangle leads and negotiate solution with dog's owner. A+ for your husband there.
  1. If your dog goes for another dog, calmly sort the problem out with other owner and apologize for trouble caused. Perhaps keep dog on shorter lead in future. Not an A+ for Staffie owner, but a better lesson for the kids than....
  1. Scream for husband to sort problem out. Once the situation is diffused, agreesively square up to woman who was not holding lead and cause another massive scene for husband to diffuse.

Hopefully the kids weren't paying too much attention during scenario 3 eh? Great example setting there...not.

Were the couple with the Staffie elderly? Or perhaps they had kids with them? Do hope you didn't threaten violence towards an old lady or a Mum with kids in tow?

Desperateforsleepzzzz · 02/05/2017 21:58

Sleep your very patronising 🙄 I'd say it's pretty hard to watch your beloved pet being attacked, calm isn't your first thought.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 02/05/2017 22:17

Yet OP's husband managed to stay calm Desperate. Is he superhuman?

Oh, and it's 'you're', not 'your' btw. Better to be patronising than illiterate.

Desperateforsleepzzzz · 02/05/2017 22:27

And polite, what a charmer you are.

ChestyNut · 02/05/2017 22:50

No such thing as "locking jaws" Hmm
A powerful bite and a high pain threshold is the issue.

OP hope you're feeling better. It's traumatic to see you're family pet hurt Flowers

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