Why are the Welsh voting conservative??

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I understand why most people vote it seems rational to me as a country to vote for Brexit and the conservatives particularly with Corbyn leading the Labour Party. What I am confused by is why is one of the poorest parts of Europe - Wales voting for a party that believes in entrepreneurship and less state intervention when Wales is so reliant on money from Europe and state institutions. Interested in any Welsh mums voting for Conservative party and the rational. (Not remotely about judgement or argument just totally curious).

"As a teacher I deplore the decisions that the WG has made."

Do you honestly think the Tories would do better. We've seen the stories on here about state schools now asking for parental contributions. That's what you get when you reduce the state.

That's just the point titty, if I starved people would rightly point out I chose to go hungry.

"tinytemper66 You do get that how you vote in local elections or the general election will have no effect on the Welsh Government, right?"

NotDavidTennant - it will have an effect on the amount of funding passed down though.

Yes I see your point Gwen but I am still unhappy with the decisions that WG has made which has affected my job. I havent said the Tories will do better because I feel they wont. I dont want to be one of these people that say I cant vote Tory because of what happened in the 1980s, but I am not sure who I would vote for but I want to vote. A real conundrum for me.

Watch the party political broadcasts, read the leaflets, read the manifestos if you have time. There are more than two parties standing in Wales.

people didn't want May

You do realise that is also exactly how Sturgeon came to be the leader of the SNP, as well? Or is it only not ok if you don't like the party?

I know how to make an informed decision. I just don`t think that voting for anyone else in my constituency [Stephen Kinnock is my MP] will change things in Westminster. But I will exercise my right to vote, even if it is for a donkey with a rosette.

Oh yep Gwen I agree - the kind of desolation you see in some parts of South Wales cannot be the eternal destiny of the people who live there. My parents grew up in the area, both left school at 16 but eventually got degrees via the ninja adult education available in the 50s and 60s and went on to have very good jobs.

Actually, the kind of genuine social mobility they had access to in the postwar period has to be part of the answer

Social mobility in the 50s was absolute rather than relative wasn't it - society was changing. I get annoyed when people think that bringing back grammar schools will allow that to happen again.

Grammars certainly weren't the whole answer for my parents. They both went to grammars but left school at 16 anyway cos their parents needed them to bring in income. Adult evening classes, decent local jobs that allowed them to study part-time, national training courses that weren't skewed towards the interests of rich middle class families, and good entry-level jobs for adult graduates were all part of the mix for them. Plus, I suppose, near full employment nationwide...

Thank you for so many responses. I had no idea of the Welsh point of view. I agree the Labour Party is currently navel gazing in central London and if I lived in a deprived area I too would be wondering what the bloody hell their playing at. I also had no idea that they had managed their funds so badly at local level. They are certainty not looking capable of helping anyone. If Wales goes blue and Scotland is blue and SNP please god tell me that god awful man will go and employ an opposition that can add up,make coherent sentences and actually address problems with practical solutions rather than hopes and dreams. I guess part of the problem of lacking creativity on both spectrums is something to think about...

For clarity what i was doing with my post was reflecting back the attitude being the Tory ideas of 'strong stable leadership' i.e. the colonial English attitude of 'the natives need discipline' , which includes Scotland, Ireland, Wales as well as our former colonies and dominions. Public School Tory humour is still rooted in this trope 'are you taking your passport to Scotland?, 'how was it in the colonies?'(after a trip to the states).

When i hear 'strong stable leadership' i think of Carry on up the Khyber' Tories do too, but for a different, jingoistic reason.

I don't think it's good that the Welsh vote is becoming rooted in racism, anti-incomer and 'tough on Europe' but i think this is where a lot of the sentiment is coming from, though i acknowledge 'against the (local) status quo is one aspect, and the age of active voters another..

Ok I admit I haven't read the last 2 pages but i wanted to throw this into the mix:

Everyone keeps going on about how the UK (and especially Wales) voted out in the referendum . However the voters were shockingly misinformed by a biased press. I simply don't understand how anyone can think that we have democracy if our press is not free, fair and totally independent.

I hate to say it, but it would seem that people are more ready to believe what the Mail will tell them rather than finding out for themselves.

With the media that we have, democracy isn't all it's cracked up to be.

I don't think most people in Wales are THAT enamored of the Tories.

I think it's more that Labour is beyond appalling right now and the Lib Dems are still pretty much nowhere (although that may change a bit in some parts of England in the next election).

I suspect turnout will be low as most people are fed up with all the bloody options right now.

Where do you get your information that Labour are beyond appalling?

I agree disastrous

It is shocking that the Daily Mail calls the shots in this country's politics. No politician will stand up to them. Shocking.

I get my information by listening to the words from the horse's mouth, that is Corbyn, McDonnell and the rest of the Shadow Cabinet : Long Bailey, Abbot, Thornberry, Richard Burgon, Angela Rayner amongst others.

I m not interested in the commentary kindly provided for the hard of thinking by the BBC (amongst others.)

From this I too have decided Labour currently are pretty damn appalling.

I don't advise anyone to waste time as I have listening to them. Learn from my errors!

You spelt appealing wrongly

Although I have many a wrangle with over anxious text correct ting computer keyboards, in this case my spelling was impeccable. Unlike the shadow cabinet!

Well I voted Labour as I had the choice of three votes with three Labour candidates and 1 Plaid.

I will probably vote Labour actually in the GE as I don`t think that I could vote Tory and have a conscience.

Ime, Labour does get very complacent in safe areas. When they are challenged and overthrown, say, they lose control of a council, they don't half get a shock and suddenly get their act together.

To be honest, I think such things are a useful development. No party should bed into any area without significant electoral challenge over the medium to long term. Such a situation just breeds contempt for voters, bad policy decisions and encourages corruption.